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Old 06-11-2003, 12:12 AM
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Mike - beleive what you will. I know what i see.
There will be UK FC arangements, they just havent anounced them yet.
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Old 06-11-2003, 12:59 AM
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Cheers Donna hon for standing up for me. I've been trying to reason with some of these people, but somehow they don't seem to be buying my logic or my reasoning. But who knows, maybe the Dublin fan club info that was just posted tonite can help them change their minds... After all, if the fan club is granting us privileges in Dublin, SURELY they'd HAVE to do the same in the UK too?! Even though they don't actually have Gold Tickets in Dublin. But Ireland and the UK are so close that it would be VERY VERY unwise for the fan club to leave the UK shows without arrangements. Especially since they particularly advised us to buy Gold Tickets.
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Old 06-11-2003, 01:07 AM
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[color=orange]Why most people on this Board seem to think that there will be no fan club arrangements at all in the UK? Or that the fc arrangements are gonna be screwed and something less than outside the UK because of the Gold Tickets?

Gold Tickets are Gold Tickets, and fan club arrangements are fan club arrangements, they're two completely different things. As far as I can tell -- which of course isn't much since the fan club hasn't announced the UK fc arrangement info yet -- the only way Gold Tickets can affect the fan club arrangements is that it might be that only fan club members with Gold Tickets will be able to enjoy the privileges this time, if the fan club can't find a way to get members with GA tickets into the pit so that the pit capacity won't be exceeded. But I really don't understand all this talk about some 4000-12000 "fan club members" because that just isn't true. Having Gold Tickets doesn't mean that you would automatically get a fan club wristband and be allowed to enter the venues early -- only fan club members with valid membership cards can do that, period.
Gold tickets r in operation
Fan Club wristbands aren't.

The promoter (ticket Master) decides how the show is run. In european concerts, the FC have had to rent space for the pit. Even then, FC arrangements have been shoddy, with the fans having to do the work.

In the UK, ticketmaster are using a gold ticket operation. This way they can charge £10 more for about 4000 of their tickets (Wolves) & 12-18,000 (Hyde park). Because of this, for the FC to rent a space would be extremely expensive. & it is the promoter that makes a decision on the Pit, not the Fan Club.

For this reason, it is safe to assume that Gold Standing are the only force in operation; and that FC arrangements are very unlikely.

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sorry im late replying to this post Mike, but i just wanna say, I really hope your f*****g right!
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Old 06-11-2003, 01:17 AM
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"Limited" being the word.

Perhaps we were advised to buy Gold tickets as FC would only be given to those with GA but with no Gold?! Seems to reason to me!
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Perhaps we were advised to buy Gold tickets as FC would only be given to those with GA but with no Gold?! Seems to reason to me!
Or perhaps we were advised to buy Gold tickets because when the fan club learned about tickets being sold specifically for the pit area (=Gold Tickets), they realised that it will undoubtedly be easier for them to work out the fc arrangements with the promoter and the venues if fan club members already had pit tickets to begin with? Seems to reason to me way better than any vague statement about some GA ticket fan club members POSSIBLY being allowed to enter the pit with limited amount of wristbands... Wristbands have always been limited, we've all read how they run out of them this year in Gelsengirchen or wherever it was. That "limited wristbands" and "depending upon capacity" thing Backstage wrote when the UK tics went on sale probably meant that IF there are still any wristbands left after Gold Ticket holder fan club members have received theirs, then MAYBE members with GA tics could get the remaining wristbands and be allowed to enter the pit.
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Old 06-11-2003, 01:52 AM
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"Limited" being the word.

Perhaps we were advised to buy Gold tickets as FC would only be given to those with GA but with no Gold?! Seems to reason to me!
Or perhaps we were advised to buy Gold tickets because when the fan club learned about tickets being sold specifically for the pit area (=Gold Tickets), they realised that it will undoubtedly be easier for them to work out the fc arrangements with the promoter and the venues if fan club members already had pit tickets to begin with? Seems to reason to me way better than any vague statement about some GA ticket fan club members POSSIBLY being allowed to enter the pit with limited amount of wristbands... Wristbands have always been limited, we've all read how they run out of them this year in Gelsengirchen or wherever it was. That "limited wristbands" and "depending upon capacity" thing Backstage wrote when the UK tics went on sale probably meant that IF there are still any wristbands left after Gold Ticket holder fan club members have received theirs, then MAYBE members with GA tics could get the remaining wristbands and be allowed to enter the pit.
Oh jeez, this assumption thing is really good.

To assume people with GOLD tickets and that are FC members will get all the benefits only, isnt fair on normal FC holders! Just cos certain people have Gold tickets doesnt mean FC gold holders will get anything.
Limited amounts of FC will no doubt be given out BUT i reckon Gold FC will get the same benefit as GA FC! Thats the point i am trying to make.
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I don't buy the "renting space for the pit" thing.
The pit is not an extra bit of space at the front, the pit is put up at the front of the floor section and is mainly for safety reasons for larger venues.
If there were no pit, the space would stilll be there and still be filled with people. Anyhow, let's just all wait and see what arrangements will be made for UK FC members.
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To assume people with GOLD tickets and that are FC members will get all the benefits only, isnt fair on normal FC holders! Just cos certain people have Gold tickets doesnt mean FC gold holders will get anything.
If that was gonna be the case, then why did the fan club encourage us to buy Gold Tickets in the first place? If FC benefits were only gonna be issued to members with regular GA tics, the fan club wouldn't have needed to tell us to buy Gold Tics. They would've just told us to get regular GA tics like before.

I still maintain that because that Gold Ticket mention was put up on the Backstage site several hours after the UK tics went on sale, the fan club probably didn't KNOW about the Gold Tickets until the staff went to work that day and found it out from the Board and/or e-mails/faxes people had sent them. They were probably just as confused as we were about the Gold Tics vs GA tics, and when they realised that Gold Tics were sold specifically for the pit, they put up the "buy Gold Tickets" notice to make sure that as many fan club members as possible will be able to enjoy the fc privileges. And since they did tell us to buy Gold Tickets instead of the regular GA ones, they shouldn't have any kind of legal or even moral responsibility to offer fc benefits to members with regular GA tics. They told us to buy Gold, period. If some fans didn't believe that and got regular GA tics instead, they only have themselves to blame if the fan club can't offer them any privileges.

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Limited amounts of FC will no doubt be given out BUT i reckon Gold FC will get the same benefit as GA FC! Thats the point i am trying to make.
Well, the fan club told us to buy Gold... And to be honest with you, I personally would be a tad miffed if fc members with regular GA tics were gonna get the exact same benefits as fc members with Gold Tics. I paid £10 more per ticket for each and every show than ppl who bought regular GA tics, and I did that because that's what Backstage told us to do. It would definitely be in all Gold Ticket holder fan club members' best interest if they got the best perks this time, cause they've paid the biggest sums of £££s and $$$s for their tickets.
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They told us to buy Gold, period. If some fans didn't believe that and got regular GA tics instead, they only have themselves to blame if the fan club can't offer them any privileges.
i agree

this is what i always said - when i was "speculating" as to whether or not they'd throw non-gold/FC members in there... whoever has paid £10 more for a ticket should get more priveleges... whatever they may be
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I don't buy the "renting space for the pit" thing.
The pit is not an extra bit of space at the front, the pit is put up at the front of the floor section and is mainly for safety reasons for larger venues.
If there were no pit, the space would stilll be there and still be filled with people. Anyhow, let's just all wait and see what arrangements will be made for UK FC members.
Its not so much agreeing as in this is how they do it. No FC to rent the space - no pit. What do u think u pay your money for?
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