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Jovian · #71 06-13-2003, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yes, but if u read that carefully - it says the gap between the front of the pit & the stage

And you're trying to say...what, with that?

The space, the gap between the very first barricade in front of the stage and the actual stage itself is there because a) it's needed for the crew & the equipment to be able to move/get moved around, b) it's needed for the photographers, and c) it's needed for security reasons for the security people to work on and in case of an emergency. Everybody knows that, and that was not all the Oompas were describing. Like I already highlighted in my previous reply, the Oompas also said "At general admission (GA) shows in Europe, there is usually a double barricade system that separates the general admission crowd on the floor between two areas. This controls the crush of fans and a security issue." And THAT is what the pit area is for, THAT is the description for the pit area we mistakenly call as the "fan club pit". It's NOT a fan club pit, it's a front pit that is there for security reasons.

I should probably start explaining this same thing in other languages, in case that would be something ppl would understand...cause obviously plain English doesn't seem to go through to some ppl. LOL.

Mike · #72 06-13-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jovian

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yes, but if u read that carefully - it says the gap between the front of the pit & the stage

And you're trying to say...what, with that?

The space, the gap between the very first barricade in front of the stage and the actual stage itself is there because a) it's needed for the crew & the equipment to be able to move/get moved around, b) it's needed for the photographers, and c) it's needed for security reasons for the security people to work on and in case of an emergency. Everybody knows that, and that was not all the Oompas were describing. Like I already highlighted in my previous reply, the Oompas also said "At general admission (GA) shows in Europe, there is usually a double barricade system that separates the general admission crowd on the floor between two areas. This controls the crush of fans and a security issue." And THAT is what the pit area is for, THAT is the description for the pit area we mistakenly call as the "fan club pit". It's NOT a fan club pit, it's a front pit that is there for security reasons.

I should probably start explaining this same thing in other languages, in case that would be something ppl would understand...cause obviously plain English doesn't seem to go through to some ppl. LOL.

See above reply

(above yours) It is talking about the gaps left between 1. the stage & the pit & 2. the pit & the ga.

Jovian · #73 06-13-2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yeah - again, it is talking about the barrier that separates the fans. In Belgium, they forgot the double barracade & it was a security issue, as the security had to be in with the fans. It is simply talking about leaving a clear gap between the two areas!!

Mike please... Give it up already.

You're reading my replies and the Oompas' reply "like the devil reads the Bible", so to speak... Only seeing in our replies what you WANT to see, and not what's actually WRITTEN in them.

"Double-barricade system" does NOT refer to the two barricades that should be set up at the end of the front pit area, it refers to the WHOLE SYSTEM OF HAVING A SMALLER PIT AREA IN FRONT OF THE STAGE. Double-barricade = two front rows, one right in front of the stage and one behind the second set of barriers. The pit is there for SAFETY AND SECURITY REASONS, everything else is secondary. Including the fan club arrangements.

I sent the Oompas another Q as "eenie meenie miny mo" and tried to clarify what I was asking, but I'm quite sure they won't answer it, as they have already answered the front pit Q once. But maybe I'll try again tomorrow nite, with a different nick and a better-formed question.

And Mike... We can spend the rest of my days here debating and arguing about this, I'm all game if you are.

But I also know the facts, and not just from this year but through the 10-year perspective I have in going to Jovi shows. Every single roadie, band member and whomever I have talked to about the pit throughout the years have always stated that it's there first and foremost for security reasons. I really can't see why it's so hard for you to believe it... But you're of course free to believe whatever you want. After all, a few hundred years ago people believed that the Earth was flat.

Jovian · #74 06-13-2003, 01:50 AM

I was wrong, the Oompas just replied my second front pit Q. It really doesn't get any more clear than this. Yes, they mention the fan club, but state that the pit has never been a fan club only area and also explain that it's only in the past few tours when the fan club members have been arranged special benefits that guarantee them access to the pit area.

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I was talking about the front pit at general admission shows. The one in front of the stage, after the security space between the stage and the front barricade. Is that for security and crowd control or what? Thanks for answering our questions, your work is much appreciated.
asked by eenie meenie miny mo on Thursday, June 12

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One more time, with feeling: In Japan and the US and Canada, virtually all shows have reserved seating. In Europe, stadium shows are General Admission(GA) on the floor. For most shows, Bon Jovi employs a Double Barricade system. One barricade separates the stage/photo pit from the first line of fans. Then, there is a secondary barricade several meters back that separates the front 'pit' of fans from the rest of the General Admission ticket holders on the floor. The number of ticketholders allowed into the front pit is determined based upon the capacity of the venue and the local security and fire code issues. It is a safety issue employed to counterbalance what would be a massive crush of bodies from all the fans on the floor. Access to the front pit is first come, first serve. Usually, you're given a wristband once you enter the front pit area. This identifies you as a front pit person in the event you need to leave the pit (for bathroom, souveneirs, food, etc...) The past few tours, the fan club has made it possible so that their members can gain wristbands at a certain time/place designated by the promoter. They show their ID and then are given a wristband and whenever possible are granted earlier access into the front pit. Then the general public is allowed in - and they get the remainder of whatever quantity of wristbands are allotted for the front pit capacity, first come first serve. It's never been a fan club only area. The fan club members have been given special accommodations however, the pit area is for fan club members and General Public.
answered by BON JOVI INFO HQ on Thursday, June 12 6:29 PM

Mike · #75 06-13-2003, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jovian

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yeah - again, it is talking about the barrier that separates the fans. In Belgium, they forgot the double barracade & it was a security issue, as the security had to be in with the fans. It is simply talking about leaving a clear gap between the two areas!!

Mike please... Give it up already.

You're reading my replies and the Oompas' reply "like the devil reads the Bible", so to speak... Only seeing in our replies what you WANT to see, and not what's actually WRITTEN in them.

"Double-barricade system" does NOT refer to the two barricades that should be set up at the end of the front pit area, it refers to the WHOLE SYSTEM OF HAVING A SMALLER PIT AREA IN FRONT OF THE STAGE. Double-barricade = two front rows, one right in front of the stage and one behind the second set of barriers. The pit is there for SAFETY AND SECURITY REASONS, everything else is secondary. Including the fan club arrangements.

What is double barracade??

Fans
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Security
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Fans

Double barricade

there r actually 3 barricades. If u include the one at the front.

I sent the Oompas another Q as "eenie meenie miny mo" and tried to clarify what I was asking, but I'm quite sure they won't answer it, as they have already answered the front pit Q once. But maybe I'll try again tomorrow nite, with a different nick and a better-formed question.

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And Mike... We can spend the rest of my days here debating and arguing about this, I'm all game if you are.

But I also know the facts, and not just from this year but through the 10-year perspective I have in going to Jovi shows. Every single roadie, band member and whomever I have talked to about the pit throughout the years have always stated that it's there first and foremost for security reasons. I really can't see why it's so hard for you to believe it... But you're of course free to believe whatever you want. After all, a few hundred years ago people believed that the Earth was flat.

U seem to be able to simply dismiss my answer as wrong, however I know it isn't. I am able to see this from a business perspective. & a sensible one & the fact that I have been told how it works by someone pretty high up.

I don't know what u hope to gain by arguing until your blue in the face that for some reason, the big corporations r deciding to not make potential money & put in some pretty shoddy safety arrangements. But if safety is the case, u can kiss the FC arrangements goodbye as there already is a pit. In fact my explanation actually works out better for u.

Mike

Jovian · #76 06-13-2003, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

What is double barracade??

Fans
----------------------
Security
--------------------
Fans

Double barricade

there r actually 3 barricades. If u include the one at the front.

True, there are three barricades. But what they mean by the double-barricade system is this:

Stage
-------------

Front row barricade
-------------

Back of the pit
-------------
Security
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Second barricade i.e. the front row of the GA area

The "---"s mark the edge of the stage, the front barricade and the first and second barricade at the back of the pit. It's that SECOND barricade at the back of the pit that doesn't count, not the front row barricade. But yes, there should actually be three barricades.

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Originally Posted by Mike

U seem to be able to simply dismiss my answer as wrong, however I know it isn't. I am able to see this from a business perspective.

I'm not missing your answer as wrong, cause I can't say that I'd know exactly what kind of business decisions and deals are involved in setting up the pit area. I am, however, saying that the pit would be there even without the fan club and Gold Tickets, cause it's not set up for either of them but quite simply for security reasons. And that is a FACT. It has been there before them, it would continue to be there after them if all fan club arrangements and Gold Tickets were suddenly taken away.

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Originally Posted by Mike

& a sensible one & the fact that I have been told how it works by someone pretty high up.

I'm not saying anything about the business perspectives... But I can also say that I've talked about the pit with people "pretty high up" on the ladder. The last such person I talked to about the pit was probably the band's head of security, if not Jon himself. THE head of security responsible for safety at concerts, as well as for the fan club arrangements. He of all people SHOULD know exactly why the pit is set up. He was the one biting the French venue staff's heads off when he found out they were not able to provide enough barricades for the 2001 Paris show... And that had nothing to do with the fan club, he was just scared sh*tless cause of the pressure from the entire GA crowd.

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Originally Posted by Mike

But if safety is the case, u can kiss the FC arrangements goodbye as there already is a pit.

Why? The pit has been there for years and years, yet the fan club has basically only just STARTED providing special arrangements for its members by using the pit area. Your reasoning doesn't make ANY sense, I'm sorry to say. Or actually glad to say, cause I'm confident we won't get screwed by the fan club, just like none of the other countries in Europe have been.

I suppose your reasoning is kinda understandable, though, if you're only viewing the situation from this year's perspective. But whatever the reasons for your reasonging might be, they're obviously wrong:

Question:
I'm following a pretty heated debate over the front pit area at GA shows. People are claiming the fan club are in charge of this and have to pay for this pit. Other fans are claiming that's not true and telling us that the fan club isn't making any arrangements for the Hyde Park show because the promoter is already employing a Gold Circle system that defines who gets into the front pit. Can you please lend your knowledge to this?
asked by on Wednesday, June 11

Answer:
Is that why we're being bombarded all of a sudden with questions all on that topic?! The fan club makes arrangements for their fan club members... and they work with the promoters (in the US, they coordinate setting tickets aside in the front few rows; in Europe, they coordinate early access to the front pit via wristband distribution for their members.) While we can't remind folks enough that we're not the fan club and are not involved with the fan club, we can tell you that so far, NOTHING in your question is close to the truth. Why don't you place a friendly WAGER on it and then cough up the money when the fan club posts UK ticketing information on their site?
answered by BON JOVI INFO HQ on Thursday, June 12 7:07 PM

Mousebounce · #77 06-13-2003, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jovian

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Originally Posted by Mike

What is double barracade??

Fans
----------------------
Security
--------------------
Fans

Double barricade

there r actually 3 barricades. If u include the one at the front.

True, there are three barricades. But what they mean by the double-barricade system is this:

Stage
-------------

Front row barricade
-------------

Back of the pit
-------------
Security
-------------
Second barricade i.e. the front row of the GA area

The "---"s mark the edge of the stage, the front barricade and the first and second barricade at the back of the pit. It's that SECOND barricade at the back of the pit that doesn't count, not the front row barricade. But yes, there should actually be three barricades.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike

U seem to be able to simply dismiss my answer as wrong, however I know it isn't. I am able to see this from a business perspective.

I'm not missing your answer as wrong, cause I can't say that I'd know exactly what kind of business decisions and deals are involved in setting up the pit area. I am, however, saying that the pit would be there even without the fan club and Gold Tickets, cause it's not set up for either of them but quite simply for security reasons. And that is a FACT. It has been there before them, it would continue to be there after them if all fan club arrangements and Gold Tickets were suddenly taken away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike

& a sensible one & the fact that I have been told how it works by someone pretty high up.

I'm not saying anything about the business perspectives... But I can also say that I've talked about the pit with people "pretty high up" on the ladder. The last such person I talked to about the pit was probably the band's head of security, if not Jon himself. THE head of security responsible for safety at concerts, as well as for the fan club arrangements. He of all people SHOULD know exactly why the pit is set up. He was the one biting the French venue staff's heads off when he found out they were not able to provide enough barricades for the 2001 Paris show... And that had nothing to do with the fan club, he was just scared sh*tless cause of the pressure from the entire GA crowd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike

But if safety is the case, u can kiss the FC arrangements goodbye as there already is a pit.

Why? The pit has been there for years and years, yet the fan club has basically only just STARTED providing special arrangements for its members by using the pit area. Your reasoning doesn't make ANY sense, I'm sorry to say. Or actually glad to say, cause I'm confident we won't get screwed by the fan club, just like none of the other countries in Europe have been.

I suppose your reasoning is kinda understandable, though, if you're only viewing the situation from this year's perspective. But whatever the reasons for your reasonging might be, they're obviously wrong:

Question:
I'm following a pretty heated debate over the front pit area at GA shows. People are claiming the fan club are in charge of this and have to pay for this pit. Other fans are claiming that's not true and telling us that the fan club isn't making any arrangements for the Hyde Park show because the promoter is already employing a Gold Circle system that defines who gets into the front pit. Can you please lend your knowledge to this?
asked by on Wednesday, June 11

Answer:
Is that why we're being bombarded all of a sudden with questions all on that topic?! The fan club makes arrangements for their fan club members... and they work with the promoters (in the US, they coordinate setting tickets aside in the front few rows; in Europe, they coordinate early access to the front pit via wristband distribution for their members.) While we can't remind folks enough that we're not the fan club and are not involved with the fan club, we can tell you that so far, NOTHING in your question is close to the truth. Why don't you place a friendly WAGER on it and then cough up the money when the fan club posts UK ticketing information on their site?
answered by BON JOVI INFO HQ on Thursday, June 12 7:07 PM

Do your fingers hurt??

*SavageJovi* · #78 06-13-2003, 11:32 AM

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Mike please... Give it up already. You're reading my replies and the Oompas' reply "like the devil reads the Bible", so to speak...

Your doing the same with his!

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One more time, with feeling

LOL even the Oompas are sick of it!

stevesbiggestfan · #79 06-15-2003, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kev UK

this is what it said anyway, its on page two of the tour discussion page.

Dear Ticketmaster Customer,

All remaining Bon Jovi tickets should be received by customers by 15th June.

Standing tickets are sent by Special Delivery which requires the customer to sign for the tickets. If you are not at home Royal Mail should leave a card directing you to your nearest sorting office.

If you do not receive your tickets by 15th June , please contact Ticketmaster on 08701535353.

Well, I haven't received mine yet and today is 15th June. Guess I'm gonna be phoning them. Anyway... how can they mean by the 15th anyway. It's a Sunday... mail doesn't usually get delivered on Sunday?

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