Jon's screams and his best performances on this tour

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Bullshit. When he did the screams in In These Arms on the KTF tour in the nineties he didn't have to force his voice in order to be able to reach it. It was part of his singing capabilities, just as With A Little Help and Bed Of Roses were. He could reach all those notes easily without screaming his brains out.

Bullshit. He was capable of singing These Days back in 1996 and no way the screaming from 1996 towards 2001 makes him incapable of singing it properly nowadays.

It's a load of crap what you're saying. Jon used his voice properly in the nineties, and it was only when he started to smoke that he lost a lot of his range. Compare 1995 to 1996 and you hear an obvious difference. It's not the screaming of the nineties that makes his voice sound like shit nowadays. and it's not the screaming of the eighties either.

His voice was in excellent shape from 1992 to 1996 and that was when he used his voice in a natural way instead of adjusting it towards whatever he thought sounded nice, like what he did on the records from the eighties. On those albums he changed his voice, and on those tours he damaged his vocals because he tried to reproduce the studio vocals.

Nowadays Jon is not an excellent singer. He's an average singer at best and his range keeps getting worse and worse. If Jon were an excellent singer he would be capable of doing proper vocals for We Got It Goin' On and Any Other Day. Instead, he sounds out of breath during Complicated and Joey. Or are you saying that the screaming of the eighties makes him incapable of singing Any Other Day as well? If the screaming from the eighties damaged his voice so much, he wouldn't have been capable of singing so well in the nineties either.

He's always out of breath. Yes, he's aging, but he's lost about everything that made his voice so special in the first place. There's no rasp, there's no depth and there's no feeling and he's most of the times just letting the words roll out of his mouth. That's not singing, that's speaking and changing the tone in your voice to whatever floats on the melody.

For someone who appearantly took vocal lessons you obviously have a lot to learn.

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bullshit, i say again singing is not screaming, to do them scream he was forcing his voice, steven Tyler is another example, he screamed not unlike Jon did, his voice now is shot, Jon was less demanding on his voice than Tyler. belting out these songs as he did was not good for his voice.



bullshit, i never said that screaming was the sole factor to jon not being able to sign as well anymore, you go out, jon may have been able to hit say a high a, but ITA has a couple of high Bs, he goes out, forces his voice to hit the note, doesnt have much affect, hes grand. add that to maybe the 6 or 7 times he has to do it a ight, plus the 4 or 5 nights a week he had to do it with no rest, that will start to mess up your voice.


he didnt use his voice properly in the 90s, just listen to STB on the album, that is total screaming at the high point, thats not singing, nor using your voice properly, sure it mite song cool, but thats him hitting a note that he couldnt hit.


there is nothing wrong with Jons voice in this day and age, hes as u said, average. His vocals on AOD and WGIGO are fine, theres no problem with them, they arent high, they have got good tone, hes able to sing them,

same as doing them live, his tone is good, i think he neeeds a few more lessons on how to breathe properly, but screaming was a factor in runing his voice, as was smoking, he was hittting ranges that he wasnt meant to be hiting. he was trying to hit Tenor notes with a Baratone voice.

if you cant hit the notes, dont hit them. i can reach high D if i scream the way he does when he sings, but it doesnt sound good, it kills my throat. im a baratone voice with a tenor top, but id never attempt to sing Living on a prayer, simple cause it is natural for my voice to hit it

Tbh i think malachy is correct on this one. He was also forcing it all the time, using his chest voice all the time. Just listen to a night with, hes putting a 'cool' tone on to his voice, but it sounds really breathy, which again is not good for your voice. Richie sings correctly he mixes his chest and head registers, wheras as jon was basically just belting since he started (and considering the range he had that is amazing) but not good for the vocals.... And some people just lose the range especially if you go through a schedule like jons..

You'll notice a difference if you watch richie in the 90s when hitting high notes he ISNT In pain! Sure, he might put a face on once in a while but look at jon in the late 80s doing blood on blood at the end, hes in pain sure it sounds friggen cool but its hurting!

Jon was abusing his voice and didn't seem to know how to use it on the Jersey Syndicate tour. Screaming in that hoarse, rough, almost pained way, must've contributed somehow. Remeber he was almost ruined completely, with the length of that tour and the constant screaming and over-reaching.

I still think steve tyler has an amazing voice.

tyler had an amazing voice, id go as far to say that it was my favorite rock voice, had the energy of axl rose, but not as screechy! was pefect,

but i seen aerosmith last year, and his voice wasnt that great, but u have to take into his his, and screaming just isnt singing, but if u need to scream, he did it in style!

Exactly. If you're not amazed (or at least impressed) by how great Steven Tyler still is able to sing after all those years, you obviously don't know anything about music.

well maybe the sahow in marley park last year was that great overall, was great to see them, but thye didnt impress me that much, maybe io had built them up to much,

then again i seen meat loaf last april, thought his vouice sounded great, and hes been going longer than both tyler or jon, not as good as he used to be, but come Bat Out Of Hell, it sounded very colse to the old days!

Jon sounded pretty good at the Cure show in February, especially during Little Help From My Friends.