Laura and Taija's Bounce Tour statistics

Yes but you critise the sets so much and the way the fc is done in the UK. Why do you bother coming? We may not have the best set lists but at least they come to this country!

When and where have I criticised the way the fan club arrangements have been done in the UK? If anything, before the Bounce Tour I was the one PRAISING the way they were handled on the OWN Tour... And I don't have any serious complaints about the way they were handled this year either, especially since I was among the ppl running the list in Dublin and Glasgow. And I was prepared to do it in Wolves, Manchester and HP too, but something came up. My only gripe with the whole queueing thing is having to go to the fc queue ridiculously early -- and mind you, earlier and earlier for every tour, too -- if you want to be among the first 5-10 ppl on the list. And THAT has nothing to do with the UK or the way the fc arrangements are handled there, that's something that has been carried over from mainland Europe.

As far as the set lists go, yes, I still maintain that whatever complaints I have made about them have been legitimate. And precisely because of the repetitive set lists, I will try my utmost to include some non-UK shows to the next tour as well, IF I can afford to travel anywhere outside my own country.

Yes, at least they bother going to the second biggest market in Europe. What an outrage it would cause if they started cutting down the amount of their British Isles gigs... And how nice and friendly and mature to flaunt it like that, knowing full well that there are vast market areas in Europe that have been left completely without shows. We all know it's nothing personal, that it's 100% pure business -- Jon hasn't been described as a shrewd businessman for nothing. But that doesn't make it any less upsetting for fans who have been there for the band ever since the beginning and who are now getting the short end of the stick touring-wise.

Ah yes something came up! You bagged yourself a pass somehow!

But if you do moan about queing so early why do you bother queing so early if all you will do afterwards is moan?!
Being at a BJ show is not seeing who can get there name between 1-10 on the list, going to a BJ show is having a good time regardless of what number you are, whether your in the fc, what time you turn up at.

I'm sure you couldve done that this tour and then we wouldnt even be having this! You went to other shows in Europe in 2001.

You know what makes me laugh about this, IF BJ did cut the amount of shows they did in the UK, yes people would moan BUT fans would go to there fellow European countries, have a good time and they would not critise what happens in that particular country!

Oh you getting at me this time?
They may not have gone to finland or any other scandinavian (sp) country this time around. They didnt go to Spain in 2001, so maybe in 20 they will come back to Finland!

Yes but Anu, at the end of the day, you are one of the lucky few who can travel outside your country to see BJ. I'm sure there re more Europeans who love BJ but cant afford to travel outside there country.

Actually I didn't. Would've been nice to have something to add to the photo album, but it was obviously not meant to happen to me on this tour.

Had other people not started the list before us in Wolves, Manchester and HP, I would've certainly done it. But since other ppl had already started the lists, I just settled for getting a number.

I didn't realise ALL I did was moan afterwards... Yes, I've stated that I don't like it, one could almost say I hate it. But that doesn't mean that ALL I would ever say about it afterwards was moaning. There were some funny moments in the queues too, I can't deny that.

And as to why do I go there, that's quite simple really. I queue because I want to get a good spot at the front. And as long as I feel that way, I have no choice but to queue again and again. Whether I like it or not.

Yes, I went to 10 shows in 2001 and a whopping 16 shows in 2000. :P D'oh, if I could have gone to more shows on this tour, don't you think I would have done it?! You are undoubtedly an expert in my financial situation and my life in general, right? Don't make a fool of yourself by ASSuming things you have no clue about.

Ah, but if you look at the map, you will see that it is so much easier for the UK fans to reach shows in mainland Europe than for us Scandinavian fans to do the same. The UK fans can just hop in one of them cheap Ryanair/Easyjet planes and do a handful of shows for a few tenners or so (excluding the ticket & accommodation costs, that is). To do the same from Finland, you have to fly to Sweden with Ryanair first, and from there you can go to a few select destinations, again with Ryanair. Or you can pay +250 or +300 or even +400/500 euros for flights with the regular airlines, depending on your destination... The only problem is, most of us can't afford to do that, time after time.

I am hoping that they would indeed come back to Scandinavia and even to Finland one day... But I'm not holding my breath over it. Not because the guys wouldn't like it here or something, but because the tours are routed on business basis alone. If Jon doesn't think they'd get enough money out of our market, or that they would perhaps just break even but not really profit from it, we can kiss our Jovi shows goodbye. And that's not whining or complaining, that's just stating a fact.

Correction, I have been among those lucky fans, for the past three tours. Not without getting myself in debt, though, which is one reason why I need to get a job ASAP. I'm really not saying anything about any upcoming tours, cause it might well be that it won't be possible for me to travel anywhere and see any shows.

Yeh cos its all "jons" decision , nothing to do with the other 3 members of the band, or the promotors or anyone else

Hate to say it but there are people in worse situations than you. Bon Jovi have fans all over the world, take Australlian fans for example, if they wanted to see Bon Jovi on this tour they would have to travel half way round the world.

Anu - Most of us don't really care about your personal and/or financial situation, just as we don't about anybody elses!!

But I would like to know what you did enjoy about your mini tour this year? if anything? care to tell us?
I can't beleive for one second that you did not enjoy anything about the 5 shows you saw in Dublin and the UK.
Or if that was the case, maybe you should consider spending your hard earned money on somthing else that will make you happy! Just a thought!

By the way, thanks to Laura and Taija for the tour stats!!! very interesting!!!

I feel privilidged to have been to the show with the most songs (Munich) and to the only two shows to feature "Lola".

Hate to tell you this but the only FOOL around is you! I am making no assumptions as you put it!

I also hate to tell you this, I went to Dublin and as you say Ryanair/Easyjet cheap, i dont think so! My flight to dublin was £140.

You may have been one of the lucky few but you've still seen them! As you say, you've been to 20-30 shows. The end of the day I'm sure whatever happens next tour you'll be there at X number of shows and then you'll still come back with all the moaning!

Sorry I don't want to give you a hard time but why are you complaining all the time. If you can't afford it then don't go and complain

Thanks Taija for the stats I saw all that? :P Hih. I wish I had time to be that bored, and do the sets (read: I hate working in the summer ).

I did know that the UK was similar but didn't notice just how similar it was at the time. Which says something about the quality of shows beyond setlists. You know the drill. There's a lie, there's a bigger lie, and then there is statistics.

Or, you can of course take a bunch of trains, and be in central Europe conveniently in 24 hours.

Conclusion?

To see this there, makes it worth the while alone.