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Old 11-21-2007, 07:39 PM
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I am believe me. Try listening to the TD and the LH record back to back: You will be crying !
Spot on I was only Listening to These Days yesterday,then LH this morn,guess which im listening today? and it hasnt got lost in the title.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:11 PM
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And you guys know that LH is a lame opener because???? Oh yeah you have been sitting in your rooms watching bad you tube clips and scouring around for second rate bootlegs!!!!

Sorry for the rant, I honestly have nothing against you tube or bootlegs, but I do think that passing such stringent judgement on something you haven't even been in the building to see is really not right.

I saw eight shows of the ten in NJ and saw them use three openings. The LH opener was when you were in the room really kind of cool. The build up of energy as each of the band members came on stage was fun and LH the song was played with energy and did well as an opening salvo.

The most abrupt and business like opening was the Bad Name opener, it was very "we're here, lets go".

The cutest and maybe most fun for me was the final night opener with the SNL clip and the band doing the sat night from newark announcement.

I just think that until you actually see this show, and hear the new stuff live being such haters of it is, well, a little excessive. There are actually quite a few BJ songs over the years that I was ehhh it's ok about until I saw them live. Sometimes recorded BJ doesn't do justice to their own songs. lay Your Hands on Me comes to mind.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:20 PM
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And you guys know that LH is a lame opener because???? Oh yeah you have been sitting in your rooms watching bad you tube clips and scouring around for second rate bootlegs!!!!

Sorry for the rant, I honestly have nothing against you tube or bootlegs, but I do think that passing such stringent judgement on something you haven't even been in the building to see is really not right.

I saw eight shows of the ten in NJ and saw them use three openings. The LH opener was when you were in the room really kind of cool. The build up of energy as each of the band members came on stage was fun and LH the song was played with energy and did well as an opening salvo.

The most abrupt and business like opening was the Bad Name opener, it was very "we're here, lets go".

The cutest and maybe most fun for me was the final night opener with the SNL clip and the band doing the sat night from newark announcement.

I just think that until you actually see this show, and hear the new stuff live being such haters of it is, well, a little excessive. There are actually quite a few BJ songs over the years that I was ehhh it's ok about until I saw them live. Sometimes recorded BJ doesn't do justice to their own songs. lay Your Hands on Me comes to mind.
I don't care if you wasted your money on 8 or 15 BJ 2007 shows. I saw BJ in London (England) this year. They opened with "Prayer" - it was ok (as usual). They played a couple of LH songs and they simply sucked I am sorry. So I HAVE actually heard LH songs live and they sound as shitty as they do on record. In London they didn't have the violin missus butchering the old songs though so it was a decent show (but by far not the best I have seen from them). Seeing this shit on youtube and elsewhere shocked me I have to say. How downhill can you go in about 5 months from th O2 show. So I can actually talk about LH songs live and they definetely are pure crap in my ears. Elevator music for people with no taste....
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:01 AM
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I too was at the O2 concert and i have to say as much as i have heard prayer in the past I still think it beats the crap out of Lost highway as an opener.
Born to Run ,you cannot say that Any other day sucked from that show or I love this town for that matter but i guess its down to opinion and every one is entitled to one.
But i do agree with you on the "additional" violin playing over the classics thats a def no no.Christ if people really wanted to hear that Dave could have played some from one of his synths years ago.
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:18 AM
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I don't care if you wasted your money on 8 or 15 BJ 2007 shows. I saw BJ in London (England) this year. They opened with "Prayer" - it was ok (as usual). They played a couple of LH songs and they simply sucked I am sorry. So I HAVE actually heard LH songs live and they sound as shitty as they do on record. In London they didn't have the violin missus butchering the old songs though so it was a decent show (but by far not the best I have seen from them). Seeing this shit on youtube and elsewhere shocked me I have to say. How downhill can you go in about 5 months from th O2 show. So I can actually talk about LH songs live and they definetely are pure crap in my ears. Elevator music for people with no taste....
basically just give up...u clearly just dont like the new age bon jovi...lots of people dont...so get over it and go on some other bands messageboards..maybe a band who actually still like?

you slag off LH...but then its a lot better than HAND...where the 2nd half of the record consisted of pop songs which would have been better suited to an avril lavigne album... and Bounce & Crush wern't classics when comparing them to These Days, Keep The Faith etc....! so what the **** were you expecting with this album? Yes its got a violin which you stress on about whay to much...but its hardely up in the mix on many songs...its hardely wrecking the songs...They are a different band these days... how ever dissapointing it may be...we are never going to get another These Days so get the **** over it! i have. your either up for this new look/sound bon jovi or your not. make your choice!
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:20 PM
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you slag off LH...but then its a lot better than HAND...where the 2nd half of the record consisted of pop songs which would have been better suited to an avril lavigne album...
You're on Drugs ? "HAND" was better than Crush and Bounce together. Produced with "an edge" and not radio-friendly mainstream shit like LH.
The album rocked from start to finish! Can't see any Avril Lavigne similarities!
On the other hand - what AL does these days rocks way more that BJ's sleeping music

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Yes its got a violin which you stress on about whay to much...but its hardely up in the mix on many songs...its hardely wrecking the songs...
The violin sucks on record and it sucks even more live where it can be heard even in the old classics in disastrous versions! I thought "TLFR" was an alltime low - I was wrong. LH proves this!
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:53 PM
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I just want to say that so far we had decent setlists on the LH tour... they're not perfect, but not bad at all... and they're very similar to the HAND tour... Closing the mainset with Prayer and the encores mostly with Wanted... and playing the TLFR-crap...
The band is far from being what they once were or still could be, yes (and more exciting setlists would be a start: where is dry county? where is i believe? where is hey god? etc.), but we have to deal with that... and they're still great in what they do and I bet even the LH songs sound great live (as long as they don't play the full album). I'm looking forward to next summer and not to more bare negativity on this board.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:45 AM
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Well, I don't consider it a waste to watch BJ play live, ever. You obviously don't like the new record, which you are welcome not to, but since you don't know me and have no idea what's in my record collection saying I have no taste in music is a bit much don't ya think??
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:53 AM
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When are you europeans going to get it through your heads that TD stuff just isn't going to get played in North America?? It shows up in nearly every European tour at some point, and yet you sit and bitch when it isn't on North American setlists. The record bombed here. Good, bad, right, wrong, ugly or indifferent, that record did nothing here and outside of hardcore fans and now with the exception of TAALS, which should be getting played IMO, most fans don't know it at all. Jon knows that and when choosing something to play just because he likes it, it's usually something off a record that ws more successful than TD.

That said, I would persoanlly love to hear some of the TD stuff live here but know I'm pretty much headed to Europe if I want it.
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Old 11-23-2007, 06:00 PM
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When are you europeans going to get it through your heads that TD stuff just isn't going to get played in North America?? It shows up in nearly every European tour at some point, and yet you sit and bitch when it isn't on North American setlists. The record bombed here. Good, bad, right, wrong, ugly or indifferent, that record did nothing here and outside of hardcore fans and now with the exception of TAALS, which should be getting played IMO, most fans don't know it at all. Jon knows that and when choosing something to play just because he likes it, it's usually something off a record that ws more successful than TD.

That said, I would persoanlly love to hear some of the TD stuff live here but know I'm pretty much headed to Europe if I want it.
Well obviously you don't know anything whats going on in Europe.....
If they RARELY play anything from these days its the title track and there it ends. Sad but true!!!!! So don't try and tell us what they do play in Europe. It wont differ much. They will play as much country pop crap next year with cruel fiddling as they tortured you American guys....
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