[efpg0708]

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I don't think anyone objects to you voicing your opinion here, rosa3. That's what an open forum is for. From what I've seen, it's only when you start telling others they shouldn't voice their opinions that people seem to get up in arms. That's not being a "Jon apologist" or even trying to get people to see things from a different perspective. It comes across as an attempt at censorship and that doesn't go over well in any forum.

I understand that it seems like people are hypercritical on JT. I thought the same thing when I first started lurking here. It seemed to me like they mostly spoke negatively about the band, in general, and about Jon and Richie, in particular. I still think some are overly critical, at times. But I've come to realize that the most critical among us seem that way because they love the band or because they love the band that used to be, and consequently they hold a high standard for their performances. And while they can still appreciate a good effort even when it doesn't reach that bar, it's disappointing nevertheless.

I think we all understand, too, that people who are actually at the shows may enjoy a completely different experience; but that's not our experience so it's not what we can critique. It doesn't make the critique any less valid, imo.

Some people are less tolerant of the quality of the band's performances nowadays than others are, to be sure; but they're still entitled to their opinions, just as you and I are.

Feel free to express a different opinion or disagree at will. I would just try to avoid telling others what their opinions should be, or saying they shouldn't be here unless they have only good things to say about Jon or the band. That's never been what JT is about, at least as long as I've been here. It's one of the things I appreciate about this board. People openly express their honest opinions - good or bad - and for the most part allow others to do the same.

Perfectly stated ! This kind of behavior is very annoying and childish.

There's one thing I've been thinking ... if Jon wants to play Always, why doesn't he pick up his acoustic guitar and play a downtuned version of it ? They did that with In These Arms in 1996 and it worked beautifuly. I know it will lack the punch and power of the original, but I'm sure the crowd would eat it up and it'd be a lot less painful for him and for us diehards.

[bjcrazycpa]

Originally Posted by CLEYoungGun21

What else could his issue be


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Discussed in another thread (in general) is psychological because of his inconsistency.


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[DestinationJovi]

Originally Posted by CaptainKiddOnSunset

Sweet mistake by David Rashbaum at the end of Always I just picked up on, I'm surprised he didn't get the stink eye. It's right in the final line of "I'll be there til the..." Tico looks over that way like he's thinking wtf and then nods when he fixes it. Missed it the first couple times around because I was focusing on JBJ.

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Lol like Jon is in any position to give the stink eye for a bum note these days.

Always was bad.

BOB was worse.

So painful to watch. I can't see how he can go on like this for much longer.

[Hues07]

Tico also messed up in Always for one hit.. he hit the snare going into the first chorus instead of the block.. haha

[CaptainKiddOnSunset]

Originally Posted by DestinationJovi

Lol like Jon is in any position to give the stink eye for a bum note these days.

Always was bad.

BOB was worse.

So painful to watch. I can't see how he can go on like this for much longer.

Touche!!! Perhaps that's why we didn't see it.


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[Walleris]

Originally Posted by rosa3

And here come the naysayers and debbie downers! Now, I saw the show live from periscope, I will agree that Jon did struggle a bit with his voice, and Blood and Blood was a struggle for him to get through, but you know what? I saw the audience through out the show, they were enjoying themselves, singing along, and having a good time. Also, I personally appreciate Jon for at least making the effort to give his best, even it may not always be 100% he would like his voice to be, but he soldiers on and gives the best performance he can. I see the audience showing there appreciation, and that I think at the end of the day that is what matters, if the fans in the arena enjoyed the show, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. But I know even saying this some here will get on my case that I am a "Jon apologist", but thats ok.

Don't listen to these douchebags, girl, you're amazing just the way you are!!!

On a serious note, that Always was a disaster. I can understand struggling on the chorus, but he could not even sing the verses. Even the Seoul 2015 performance was slghtly better as the crowd sang so loud they covered for several of Jon's shortcomings.

That final "till the stars don't shine.." part broke my heart. That's it. He worked as hard as he could to improve, but he's done. I guess all there's left is to thank him for giving us that last vintage JBJ performance in Greenville, which was very decent, but, like I predicted at the time, that was Jon at 120% effort and that is never sustainable over the course of the show, let alone the tour.

Thank you for the memories!

[Bounce7800]

At least that's one positive effect of Jon's vocal issues, that the stink eye is confined to the past. He's seemed much more easy going and laughed off mistakes more so than in the past.

[Bounce7800]

Originally Posted by Bounce7800

2017 Setlist (Click links for videos):

1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Knockout
3. You Give Love A Bad Name
4. Lost Highway
5. Whole Lot Of Leavin Vid 2
6. We Weren't Born To Follow
7. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
8. Rollercoaster Vid 2
9. We Got It Going On
10. Who Says You Can't Go Home
11. It's My Life
12. We Don't Run
13. God Bless This Mess
14. Scars On This Guitar Vid 2
15. The Devil's In The Temple
16. Lay Your Hands On Me Vid 2
17. Born To Be My Baby
18. Have A Nice Day
19. Bad Medicine
20. Keep The Faith

21. Always Vid 2 Vid 3 Vid 4
22. Blood On Blood
23. Wanted Dead Or Alive Vid 2
24. Livin' On A Prayer Vid 2 Vid 3

Loads of videos up for this gig, only missing Devils In The Temple.

[Gabriel Shoes]

Originally Posted by Walleris

Don't listen to these douchebags, girl, you're amazing just the way you are!!!

On a serious note, that Always was a disaster. I can understand struggling on the chorus, but he could not even sing the verses. Even the Seoul 2015 performance was slghtly better as the crowd sang so loud they covered for several of Jon's shortcomings.

That final "till the stars don't shine.." part broke my heart. That's it. He worked as hard as he could to improve, but he's done. I guess all there's left is to thank him for giving us that last vintage JBJ performance in Greenville, which was very decent, but, like I predicted at the time, that was Jon at 120% effort and that is never sustainable over the course of the show, let alone the tour.

Thank you for the memories!

[JerseyGiant]

Originally Posted by efpg0708

Perfectly stated ! This kind of behavior is very annoying and childish.

There's one thing I've been thinking ... if Jon wants to play Always, why doesn't he pick up his acoustic guitar and play a downtuned version of it ? They did that with In These Arms in 1996 and it worked beautifuly. I know it will lack the punch and power of the original, but I'm sure the crowd would eat it up and it'd be a lot less painful for him and for us diehards.

Yes yes yes a thousand times yes! He states that its a high song shouldnt be singing it at his age etc... then stop rearrange it pick the acoustic up and go for it... crowd sing along whatever I no id lap it up! A bit like what Myles Kennedy from Alterbridge does with "Watch Over You"... and for crying out loud give DB "In These Arms" 🖒