[Gabriel Shoes]

It'll be like "Forever" from Kiss.

One of their biggest hits but Paul Stanley really can't sing it anymore. There's a video of a acoustic version on a fan event, he can't sing either way.

The only way would be rework the arrangements and do something like TLFR, but we know nobody likes it. Almost all songs turned into lullaby.

[DryCounty]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes

It'll be like "Forever" from Kiss.

One of their biggest hits but Paul Stanley really can't sing it anymore. There's a video of a acoustic version on a fan event, he can't sing either way.

Spot on. When hearing Jon nowadays it's a comforting thought that it sucks even more to be a Kiss fan. With Kiss and Bon Jovi being my two favorite bands I've had pretty rough luck concerning lead singers lately

[Captmorgs]

A different video of Always. More crowd sing-along in the audio. Slightly more tolerable? Maybe? (Trying to find a positive)
https://youtu.be/fCjcMJ6nb2s


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[efpg0708]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes

It'll be like "Forever" from Kiss.

One of their biggest hits but Paul Stanley really can't sing it anymore. There's a video of a acoustic version on a fan event, he can't sing either way.

The only way would be rework the arrangements and do something like TLFR, but we know nobody likes it. Almost all songs turned into lullaby.

It doesn't have to be the TLFR version. Jon sings the TLFR version of Always an octave lower than the original. I'm talking about bringing the song one whole step down and play it like they played In These Arms in 1996.

[gabriele]

Originally Posted by Bounce7800

Loads of videos up for this gig, only missing Devils In The Temple.

Always is much better than the seoul 2015 performance

[liljovi93]

I've listened to Always twice from this show now. Is it just me who doesn't think it's THAT bad?? Okay, it isn't great at all but I've definitely heard worse and it could have been much worse.

A fair amount is shaky, no denying that but I was expecting to cringe more than I did. I think it's how Jon looks that's more off putting than anything.

Phil X solo was superb.

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[KeepTheFaith2211]

Finally watched 'Always'. He sounds like he's crying while singing. It's as if his heart and soul is giving it his all but his head's saying 'no mate' and it's just pouring out to a degree where it's unlistenable. 'Never been that bothered by Jon's voice when it's bad but this is just really, really bad.

[Gabriel Shoes]

Originally Posted by efpg0708

It doesn't have to be the TLFR version. Jon sings the TLFR version of Always an octave lower than the original. I'm talking about bringing the song one whole step down and play it like they played In These Arms in 1996.

I get it, in the Always case you mean to bring half step down of a already half step down version. Is that correct?

[DryCounty]

Originally Posted by efpg0708

It doesn't have to be the TLFR version. Jon sings the TLFR version of Always an octave lower than the original. I'm talking about bringing the song one whole step down and play it like they played In These Arms in 1996.

In These Arms and Livin' In Sin both are in E on the albums, but are played in C# live (played in D but with guitars in Eb-tuning) so both songs has been lowered 1 1/2 step compared to the album.

As Always also are in E I can't see why they just don't do the same for it. Yes, the verse are already quite low in E but so are In These Arms but it still works downtuned. Of course I always prefer songs to be played in its original key if manageable, but if Jon wants to keep playing Always they have to lower it to D. Jon would still struggle as it would be very high despite lowering it, but it would still make a huge difference.

[TheseDaysEra]

Originally Posted by DryCounty

In These Arms and Livin' In Sin both are in E on the albums, but are played in C# live (played in D but with guitars in Eb-tuning) so both songs has been lowered 1 1/2 step compared to the album.



As Always also are in E I can't see why they just don't do the same for it. Yes, the verse are already quite low in E but so are In These Arms but it still works downtuned. Of course I always prefer songs to be played in its original key if manageable, but if Jon wants to keep playing Always they have to lower it to D. Jon would still struggle as it would be very high despite lowering it, but it would still make a huge difference.

He'd find it easier to struggle through the low notes on the verse than the high ones on the choruses. It's just idiotic that he insists on doing it in Eb. What the hell Jon, it's okay not to sing like you're 30 forever.


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