[hackster73]

Originally Posted by Manbou

Always and Blood On Blood: https://youtu.be/gxZ6-4Ot8ik



I would say that, in the end, it's down to your personal taste. He surely put lots of effort into the two renditions of this tour, but I wouldn't say it's the song he sang best. However, I think it's the most difficult song he tried so far.
The thing is, that there's also no definite answer imo because if Jon consinders a song harder to sing, he pushed harder, so that you can't really say that if you are looking for the song he sang best, you should be looking for the easier ones.

That is horrible

[KeepTheFaith2211]

Just watched 'Blood On Blood'. I have never seen Jon that bad. It makes 2003 look brilliant. Pronunciation, technique, range...it's all gone.

[rosa3]

And here come the naysayers and debbie downers! Now, I saw the show live from periscope, I will agree that Jon did struggle a bit with his voice, and Blood and Blood was a struggle for him to get through, but you know what? I saw the audience through out the show, they were enjoying themselves, singing along, and having a good time. Also, I personally appreciate Jon for at least making the effort to give his best, even it may not always be 100% he would like his voice to be, but he soldiers on and gives the best performance he can. I see the audience showing there appreciation, and that I think at the end of the day that is what matters, if the fans in the arena enjoyed the show, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. But I know even saying this some here will get on my case that I am a "Jon apologist", but thats ok.

[ThePunisher]

Originally Posted by rosa3

And here come the naysayers and debbie downers! Now, I saw the show live from periscope, I will agree that Jon did struggle a bit with his voice, and Blood and Blood was a struggle for him to get through, but you know what? I saw the audience through out the show, they were enjoying themselves, singing along, and having a good time. Also, I personally appreciate Jon for at least making the effort to give his best, even it may not always be 100% he would like his voice to be, but he soldiers on and gives the best performance he can. I see the audience showing there appreciation, and that I think at the end of the day that is what matters, if the fans in the arena enjoyed the show, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. But I know even saying this some here will get on my case that I am a "Jon apologist", but thats ok.

I never trust people critical of a show they were not at. There's a guy on the Springsteen board who swears Brisbane Night 2 was the best show of the whole tour, but when I listen to it, I can't even get through it because it's garbage to me. Like with a lot of things, I guess you had to be there.

[Falco]

While I love that he's not afraid to take on Always, it makes me wince seeing him struggle, it just looks like he's in so much pain. That can't be good for your vocals. At least he laughs it off at the end that it's hard for him to sing this song at 55 years old..

[DryCounty]

Originally Posted by rosa3

And here come the naysayers and debbie downers! Now, I saw the show live from periscope, I will agree that Jon did struggle a bit with his voice, and Blood and Blood was a struggle for him to get through, but you know what? I saw the audience through out the show, they were enjoying themselves, singing along, and having a good time. Also, I personally appreciate Jon for at least making the effort to give his best, even it may not always be 100% he would like his voice to be, but he soldiers on and gives the best performance he can. I see the audience showing there appreciation, and that I think at the end of the day that is what matters, if the fans in the arena enjoyed the show, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. But I know even saying this some here will get on my case that I am a "Jon apologist", but thats ok.

But we aren't rating the quality of the experience, we are rating the quality of the performance. And the performance was horrible. That has nothing to do with if you were there or not, that's a fact. Then it's another thing if you enjoyed it because of seeing it through a live experience, but that doesn't change the fact.

[Jonty]

Mmmmmm so I watched through Always and Blood on Blood. I am no singing expert but it did sound pretty rough at times. Few things I wonder, should you play BOB after Always like that. The voice was clearly shot during Always to then hit another song with high bits in the chorus, there were times he was not even singing and when he had to concentrate on that, the guitar playing went out the window.
Now I assume there was something wrong with guitar, looking round etc but then the guy brought the replacement and clearly was told nah, no point, I need to sing! So, we talk about he puts easier songs in the set for himself.......so why not play a few easier ones after a big hit like Always to let voice recover or In These Arms with Davy on vocals??
The there is the hanging on to the mike until it nearly breaks. It almost looks like he is trying too hard which could make it worse. I wonder what it would be like if he walked and sang at the same time?
Final point, i did enjoy Phil's outro on Always!Love the guy just up there happily playing away!

[CLEYoungGun21]

Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa

The problem is we don't know for a fact that the voice issue is vocal chord related. I suspect if that was the reason, he'd have the surgery.

What else could his issue be


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[CaptainKiddOnSunset]

Sweet mistake by David Rashbaum at the end of Always I just picked up on, I'm surprised he didn't get the stink eye. It's right in the final line of "I'll be there til the..." Tico looks over that way like he's thinking wtf and then nods when he fixes it. Missed it the first couple times around because I was focusing on JBJ.

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[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by rosa3

And here come the naysayers and debbie downers! Now, I saw the show live from periscope, I will agree that Jon did struggle a bit with his voice, and Blood and Blood was a struggle for him to get through, but you know what? I saw the audience through out the show, they were enjoying themselves, singing along, and having a good time. Also, I personally appreciate Jon for at least making the effort to give his best, even it may not always be 100% he would like his voice to be, but he soldiers on and gives the best performance he can. I see the audience showing there appreciation, and that I think at the end of the day that is what matters, if the fans in the arena enjoyed the show, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. But I know even saying this some here will get on my case that I am a "Jon apologist", but thats ok.

I don't think anyone objects to you voicing your opinion here, rosa3. That's what an open forum is for. From what I've seen, it's only when you start telling others they shouldn't voice their opinions that people seem to get up in arms. That's not being a "Jon apologist" or even trying to get people to see things from a different perspective. It comes across as an attempt at censorship and that doesn't go over well in any forum.

I understand that it seems like people are hypercritical on JT. I thought the same thing when I first started lurking here. It seemed to me like they mostly spoke negatively about the band, in general, and about Jon and Richie, in particular. I still think some are overly critical, at times. But I've come to realize that the most critical among us seem that way because they love the band or because they love the band that used to be, and consequently they hold a high standard for their performances. And while they can still appreciate a good effort even when it doesn't reach that bar, it's disappointing nevertheless.

I think we all understand, too, that people who are actually at the shows may enjoy a completely different experience; but that's not our experience so it's not what we can critique. It doesn't make the critique any less valid, imo.

Some people are less tolerant of the quality of the band's performances nowadays than others are, to be sure; but they're still entitled to their opinions, just as you and I are.

Feel free to express a different opinion or disagree at will. I would just try to avoid telling others what their opinions should be, or saying they shouldn't be here unless they have only good things to say about Jon or the band. That's never been what JT is about, at least as long as I've been here. It's one of the things I appreciate about this board. People openly express their honest opinions - good or bad - and for the most part allow others to do the same.