Munich - final review - pissed off

This is gonna be my final review of the Munich show:
one the one hand it was great, amazing, fabulous. but on the other hand it sucks big time, and this hand is more serious. Which hand is which you wonder?
the positive thing is the band, the music(except wild in the streets). The negative thing: the people,the crowd. I'll explain: We had thousends of discussions about Bj becoming a pop act and all that stuff and I can tell you now: they were senseless,all of them. The band isn't the problem, they prooft last night that they're still a rock band, which know how to perform perfect(except Wild in the Streets). But the crowd...OMG. One line in the song " idiots are taken over" on the current NoFX album says "ignorance is celebrated" and that's exactly what happened yesterday. Before I go on I'll tell you some bits from last night. What do think, at which point of the show the crowd reacts the most? What do you think was happening on stage when the biggest reaction came from the crowd? I think some of you guess right(sadly): The biggest reaction came as you could see on the screen Jon shaking his ass .
Next thing: Do you think "Something to believe in" is a dark or at least a sad song? During that song a wave goes through the stadium(I don't know if I find the right words in ENglish, I hope you know what I mean) and during TD the people danced as if it isn't a sad song but a kind of a dance hall song instead.
The only thing that has to happen to get the crowd screaming was to show up Jons face on the screen, nothing more.
I don't know what you think about those things but I think this current situation is impossible, absolutely inacceptable. To come back to the point: The band isn't the problem, they ain't a pop band, they ain't a boy band. But we have a pop-crowd, a boy-band crowd in the arenas and in the stadiums. I mean come to think about these things: they don't care about the music all they want to see is Jon shaking his ****ing ass. Shall I tell you what I did during the concert? Nothing, absolutely nothing! WHy? Sure it was probably one of the best BJ shows ever and definately the best I've seen so far(except Wild in the streets) but I just don't want to fratenize with the people around. I really felt strange there. I can't fell any earnestness withhin this crowd. All I saw were stupid people who just want to sream and clap their hands like stupid machines. Sometimes I felt like even if the guys come on the stage and say "we hate you all, you're the biggest assholes we've ever seen" they would scream too.
I konw that some of you can't stand my Bruce Springsteen - Bon Jovi comparisons but 'ill do another anyway: 3 days before Bruce was in the same stadium and within this crowd I felt home, home and comfortable and had one of the best nights ever. not because Bruce and E-street were better than BJ,no I would say both were equal but the crowd was different. Within the Springsteen crowd you could feel earnestness towards the music and the band. In the Bj crowd I just felt strange(OMG now my nickname finally makes sense).
It's a sad fact but you could take 80 % percent of a BJ crowd, put it into one of those popidol/popstar concerts and nobody would recognize it because it's the same level.
On the one hand I think this is really sad because the band performed ****ing great last night and deserves a much better and much mature crowd that they have right now but on the other hand is this just the consquence of the last 3 years.
But there are some things I've learned on this Friday night. one of them:
Every female BJ-fan is at least suspicious!!! Sorry I know this is really generalizing but from this day I don't believe any female that she likes Bj because of the music. The concert last night was too traumatic.

To bring it to an end: as long as nothing dramatic within the composition of the audiences at a BJ show changes, I won't visit any because I don't have to pay 42 Eur to ruin my evening.
We really have a great problem here. As long as BJ have this kind of fans nobody would take them for serious and they won't get any respect for their work.
It's sad that I write this now and not yesterday because during the day a lot of things I wanted to express slipped out of my mind.
I'm tired now so I close with two quotes: the first is from Manowar and I want to sent out to the kind of "fans" I described above:
Whimps And Posers, Leave The Hall!

and the second one is a derivative of the NoFx song I mentioned above:
the idiots obviously have taken over!






(Oh and if you want to know what the problem with WITS was: instrumental it was perfectly played but Jon squeezed the voclas so much that it killed the power of that song,but fortunately this was the only bad performance on this night.)

sorry to hear about that, I just looked at the set a moment ago and presumed anybody their must have been bloody buzzing, seems I was wrong

I know 100% what you mean... But that's the problem with playing stadiums, and attracting a young audiance.
Bruce gets away with it, as although not all his audiance a hard core fans who have every album, they're generally much older, you see very few 30- people there. Being older they're more apreciative of the music, and don't just go for the ones they know, they're there to have a good time with this music, and so want to listen to the music.

However, I think a lot o Bon Jovi audiances now are "new fans", they're young, and they want to scream and say they're the biggest fans in the world when they play it's my life, but will act dumb during older songs they don't know... If you like a band for their music it doesn't matter whether you kow them or not, you're listening to the music. Of cource this isn't 100% true, but if the crowd truely like Bon Jovi music, then they'd be into a song like Something to believe in and taking it for what it is reguardless of wether they're heard it before or not! I've noticed the same things, they go wild during new songs, and 'anthems' but it's all just reactions, there's no heart or true love in the atmosphere. This also I think restricts the set, I can understand why the band won't play Something to believe in when the crowd get it so wrong.

I've been complaining about prices a lot recently. Like I said,fan club included (which I didn't go for) the shows would cost me £65 (normal concert price between £25-35).... I've said I won't go to see the band after this tour if they do a similar thing next time. HOWEVER. I'd much sooner they said ok, lets get the old atmosphere back, let's **** stadiums and get arena's packed with real fans. We'll desuade the newies from coming by charging £65, but we'll let peole know we're playing a ballanced set list, not restricting to classics, and we'll be doing 3 hours. This would solve the problem

Your a little weird

even the wild crowds can be like that yes - that's just the makeup of the audience these days...

biggest screams in Ostend for the exact same reason... but jon doesn't help by doing it in the first place, or kissing the camera lenses etc...

he provokes it

so i suppose technically it's what he wants, even though he says it's all about the music

you'RE

Oh yeah,they are suspicious minds

I agree with you that there are many posers,but I also think that that's the band's fault(commercial image that band created,or should I say Jon )

Woah, wait a minute!!! I am so sick and tired of hearing that I (or any other woman!) can't possibly be a true fan of Bon Jovi because I find them to be attractive! Good looks only get you so far. Look at the boy bands....they came, they saw, they disappeared. If I was only into Bon Jovi for Jon (or Richie or Tico's!) good looks, I wouldn't have stuck around for the last 17 years or so. To me, their good looks are simply an added bonus to the great music. I don't have posters of them all over my walls, I don't drool over Jon every time I see him. I do however, love their music. It is one of the very few things in life I can say I honestly enjoy. I'm usually a very shy and reserved person in everyday life. But, I'll be one of the first people to admit that I let loose when I go to a concert, especially Bon Jovi. It's the music though that gets me going. It makes me want to sing along (to every song, not just It's My Life) and clap and dance. When I cheer and yell, it's usually because they are playing a song I love. Call me whatever you want, I really don't care. Just don't tell me that I can't be a true fan because of that! I don't believe any of you boys can honestly tell me that you wouldn't get a kick out of 10's of thousands of women screaming over you on stage!!!!! And don't tell me that their aren't any female musicians whose music you like, yet still find them to be attractive! I'm sorry that you didn't have a good time, but don't blame others for that. OK, now I need some more of you girls to stand up with me here!!!!

I have to say - that as a 9/1 outnumbered bloke in the pit at a few shows - I had to grimace & look away when Jon shook his A$$ & got a huge scream for it. Bigger than the Kick ass solo Richie had just done for the distance!!!!

I guess I'm in the minority then.......

Its more to do with the fact that I really felt a minority & that I was out of place during these moments..... a bloke in the pit surrounded by girls who really dug this. Which is fine - but I didn't go expecting to see this, I went expecting a rock show.........

Its making the few blokes in the pit feel more & more alienated. It'd be fine if the screams were as loud during the songs & not just for Jon shaking his body. But I really had to look away at these moments & just feel I was out of place!!