Munich - final review - pissed off

Nobody is going to tell me that the band can't play rare songs because they don't get the right reaction! that is bulls*it!! Jon apparantly threw out the setlist in Munich and called songs most of the night!!! That was because of the crowd and the energy he was feeling from them!!
The crowd rocked and that makes for a great show!!!

I won't comment on this thread anymore because most of the comments are so far from the truth that it is stupid!!

best atmospheres I've ever experianced have been in small venues, because they pack more people in, it's a much closer venue, hotter, and so the atmosphere is more intense...

Also, it's like I said before, it's a superficial atmosphere. Bon Jovi play an arena and open with Tokyo Road and the crowd would take the ****ing roof off, do it in a stadium and half the crowd are ****ing bored!!!!!! The stadiums restrict the band, and I think most people on here, most people I've talked to would much prefere to see them in theatres and arean's, they're too big for this, but it's what people would prefere... Even Springsteen, I know somebody who's seen him lots and lots of times through the years, and he always preferes the atmosphere at smaller places (telling me about when he saw them on the Born in the USA tour in a 2,500 seat place!!!!)

Let's see about that 80%.... Take a typical stadium show to be about 50,000 people, and that's on the small scale, when you think Hyde park is something like 90,000.... 20% of 50,000 is 10,000.... So if Bon Jovi lost 80% of their crowd, they could STILL go out playing arena's, it would still be bigish scale. Also, as for these dates around Europe thing... Arena bands play more dates than Stadium bands, that's just the way it happens by and large. If Bon Jovi were to return to their roots, and lost a lot of suport, they could play things like the MEN two nights on a trot, do NEC for say 3-4 nights.... Potensially they could do many many more concerts. I doubt they would do second legs, but in terms of shows, if you merged the two legs they'd usually do, and did a fairly intense block in Europe, break, come back for the rest of europe, break, onto America do a few weeks up and down (similar to the Aerosmith tour say), then Australia, then Japan, e.t.c.... They would be able to do this, more shows in one sence. But then if they do come back, they'll end up doing about 10 dates in Britain in two years, so they could easily condense this down, and make it one big tour of arenas.

If arena shows are so great, how come the shows that the vast majority talk about are the Giants Stadium ones and Wembley 1995?

They're not.... Although I wasn't there Wembley 95 wasn't the best the band have been by far. Just watching the DVD, the band isn't as good as they were Faith tour even....

Giants Stadium '89 was kind of the big one for the band in a way, at least that's what I've gathered from the Access all areas. And it was a very good show, I've seen the bootleg, but not the best on the tour by far.

I've actually never noticed that peopel talk about these shows most....

I'm talking from experiance, intense audiances who are really into the music are better than bigger audiances in more open venues with audiances less "into" the music. Best example I can think of is from Purple shows. They played a big arena in 98, and although the music was typically amazing, the atmosphere was dead. however put that band in a smaller venue and you've got something bloody electric... Similarly with Whitesnake you had an audiance who were about as much into every single song they do as an audiance can be. However put that in a smaller place, i/e sell it out and it really would have taken the roof off.

I don't believe there is a band in the world who are, or have ever been big enough to fill a stadium in the way I think it should be filled. Probably the closest is going to be somebody like Floyd, who will do anything, and who aren't a hit's band, so will be selling on the basis of the music they play, and not just hits and 'best of' type songs. Bon Jovi aren't big enough to play stadiums as an unristricted band in any way... Bon Jovi would 'fit' in an arena, they don't fit in an arena... in that, they don't pad out every single inch of the venue, they don't capture every single person, they don't come across as being too big for the venue... Other bands do do this, and that's what makes the atmosphere... I think Bon Jovi in a 15-20, thousand seat arena would be the ideal, and would allow them to comand 100%....

As for the sets. Compare a Bon Jovi between tours to say a Steve Vai set. I saw Vai twice within 18months, he did about 2h30 each time, and played about 4 songs the same in each show.... Whereas, Bon Jovi, most of the songs are the same...

i always find that the Milton Keynes shows are very good

I'm sorry, but maybe you had absolutely wrong expectations of a BJ concert?! What did you expect, some 60 000 people standing there, quiet and sad???? Furthermore, I don't think that "Something to believe in" is such a sad song. It isn't at all. You should look behind the lyrics and even if you only like the music you should listen to Jon when he speaks about their music and explains what they want to express with their lyrics. They also say: "a BJ song shows 5 minutes of optimism!" Optimism!!! Not Pessimism!!!! They always want to give their audience something positive! They want their concerts to be a place where you can forget for 3 hours all the ****ing things that are happening in your life all day, just have great 3 hours and enjoy yourself! Have you ever heard of the "Sex, Drugs and Rock'n Roll" slogan? I don't think that it's such a misery when people scream seeing Jon shaking his ****ing great ass! I can tell you, there are people who like his ass (your biggest problem) but also love their music and try to look behind the lyrics.

In my personal opinion, people who don't like to see a happy crowd having a great time with singing and screaming should'nt go to a BJ concert. Buy the life video, turn on your TV and enjoy in silence the BJ show!!!!!

no, it's bloody annoying when people go crazy at his ass... this provided possibly the lowest point of tonight. It was just what you don't want to see....

I actually didn't hear Bounce of Bad Name today at all, because people were singing so loud. When those people who are singing are spoiling the songs for the others then should they continue? I was into it, I sang along to the chorus, but when people are screaming over the guitar solo so you can't year it, and singing everyword then yes it's spoling it...

Why don't the people who like to sing every word buy a karioke machine???

They don't apreciate the band. I was watching Richie doing some amazing solos, pretty much some of the best I've ever heard from any guitarest, yet I can't hear it properly because some silly teenage girls behind me have whistles that they're blowing down my ear, and the yobs next to me are shouting, and everybody is screaming. It's a concert, I'm not compalining too much because I expect this, but if people just got over themselves, the *I'm at a Bon Jovi concert, and therefore can only think about me me me* attitude, and apreciate the music, the atmosphere would be a hell of a lot better.

all too true :/

Just two quotes from Richie and Jon regarding the Munich concert:

Richie when we talked to him about the concert "we enjoyed it, too".

Jon on http://www.popfile.de/index.jsp?url=...objectId=1911:

"Wow, it was the best Gig we ever had" He was really impressed by the athmospere in the Olympia Stadion. That's why they played 3 hours and gave everything to the 72.000 people in the audience.


Do you really think they want a silent audience? It doesn't seem so.

And don't forget, this is the same country that welcomed David Hasselhoff with open arms. Germany was one of his biggest supporters. Seems like as long as you have a pulse, people will go nuts over there. :P No wonder BJ loves it, if David had such a huge fan base, BJ must be considered Gods.