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Old 07-13-2010, 02:06 AM
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You're assuming he knows that 7 people who post at DC thought the show was bad and that it matters to him. I bet if you go to Backstage, there'll be people praising the show. Are those opinions any less valid? And even if they sucked at Backstage too, do you think he really has time to scour websites for reviews? I don't think think the opinions (positive or negative) of a handful of online fans have even reached him enough that he would feel the need to come up with some cover story. That seems a bit of a reach.
No, Jon doesn't scour the sites but his employees do and they have. Jon knows fans want rarities so when he wrote a set up like that, he knows that he was gonna disappoint before he even got onstage. What's worse is some songs were just absolutely butchered. He doesn't need to scour sites to know that.

Plus, that message was directed at fans and diehards. THe casual fan who might follow Bon Jovi on Facebook or Twitter isn't going to understand the signifigance of the wording "endless encore".
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Old 07-13-2010, 02:12 AM
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I think things are more simple and down to earth than they seem. Jon does not give a shit at the moment about such problems as who is and who is not bitching, what the fan reactions are, how to use his injury, how to succeed in outsmarting the poor, innocent and naive fans. The only thing that he cares about and which for this very moment overshadows all the problems of the entire world is bloody mundane – i.e. how to get rid of the pain, even for a while. If you have a bad toothake all your problems, no matter how serious they are, or how much spiritual they are, or how much existential or metaphysical they are become quite pale while all your mind is focussed on one damn prosaic worldly thing – the bloody toothache.
If one is willing to spend one's private time sitting and analyzing the supoposed hidden meaning it is his/her problem. If you have too much time to waste – simply enjoy considering the academic question of what devilish sense stands behind this double-layered statement: ) have fun!: ) Discover all its depth and hidden satanic intention: )

Becky, I really love your ironic idea of conspiracy! Yeah... Jon is a son of the Satan - he intentionally injured his leg and now uses his injury to do all that brainwashing to those poor naive fans!

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Old 07-13-2010, 02:49 AM
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I think things are more simple and down to earth than they seem. Jon does not give a shit at the moment about such problems as who is and who is not bitching, what the fan reactions are, how to use his injury, how to succeed in outsmarting the poor, innocent and naive fans. The only thing that he cares about and which for this very moment overshadows all the problems of the entire world is bloody mundane – i.e. how to get rid of the pain, even for a while. If you have a bad toothake all your problems, no matter how serious they are, or how much spiritual they are, or how much existential or metaphysical they are become quite pale while all your mind is focussed on one damn prosaic worldly thing – the bloody toothache.
If one is willing to spend one's private time sitting and analyzing the supoposed hidden meaning it is his/her problem. If you have too much time to waste – simply enjoy considering the academic question of what devilish sense stands behind this double-layered statement: ) have fun!: ) Discover all its depth and hidden satanic intention: )

Becky, I really love your ironic idea of conspiracy! Yeah... Jon is a son of the Satan - he intentionally injured his leg and now uses his injury to do all that brainwashing to those poor naive fans!
What are you taking about?

And you paint a very noble picture of Jon. However it is also incredibly naive. The man definitely very much cares about how his injury- and the Friday show- is being talked about in fan circles. Jon has always paid attention to that kind of stuff.
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:07 AM
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I believe him too. But, then again, I don't see him as the son of Satan as it seems some people around here do.
He said it himself, I'm the devil's son. Aren't you the one preaching on and off about how Jon only "hid" beside those lyrics for the soundtrack?

Jon is the bastard son of the devil, the one he is least proud off :P
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Jon should come here and post "YEAS, BITCHES, I READ THIS FORUM!" to stop the fight....
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If Jon were to take the opinons of this site seriously in any way, he wouldn't be around playing succesful shows and being as succesful as he is today at all!!
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What are you taking about?

And you paint a very noble picture of Jon. However it is also incredibly naive. The man definitely very much cares about how his injury- and the Friday show- is being talked about in fan circles. Jon has always paid attention to that kind of stuff.
Actually, she is being quite logical.

I don't know where you get your version of Jon from, but it isn't from reality or available evidence. By all accounts, you are getting it from others here... people who have a long history of revisionist approach to history with no real "in the know" access. You may as well get your news from super market tabloids. Everytime I read your posts about Jon, it's as if I'm reading some other worldly dimension account of a being we shall now refer to henceforth as "Demon Jon."

This board is the only place I find people accusing Jon of being arrogant or a dictator in the true sense. Let's see.. do I pay attention to the rantings of forum members projecting their issues or the reflections of someone like Lonn Friend or other journalists that have spent a good amount of time with him? He's a human being to me, no more or less. I do not worship him or have any illusions about him.

If anyone would like to prove me wrong... feel free to begin building the evidence using video, audio, and written documentation that can not be twisted into anything other than what it is to prove the existence of "Demon Jon."
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Once again Purist you are the voice of reason. I love how the young ones on the board see Jon as a demon with supernatural powers. I am not a worshiper but Jon is human and does make mistakes. Sitting around and coming up with conspiracy theories may be fun for a while but after time has past I have to wonder where the sense of reality went. Becky and Marta made valid points and I agree.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:32 AM
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Actually, she is being quite logical.

I don't know where you get your version of Jon from, but it isn't from reality or available evidence. By all accounts, you are getting it from others here... people who have a long history of revisionist approach to history with no real "in the know" access. You may as well get your news from super market tabloids. Everytime I read your posts about Jon, it's as if I'm reading some other worldly dimension account of a being we shall now refer to henceforth as "Demon Jon."

This board is the only place I find people accusing Jon of being arrogant or a dictator in the true sense. Let's see.. do I pay attention to the rantings of forum members projecting their issues or the reflections of someone like Lonn Friend or other journalists that have spent a good amount of time with him? He's a human being to me, no more or less. I do not worship him or have any illusions about him.

If anyone would like to prove me wrong... feel free to begin building the evidence using video, audio, and written documentation that can not be twisted into anything other than what it is to prove the existence of "Demon Jon."
I guess you haven't been reading my posts that thoroughly. I've never called Jon a "demon"; I think I even stated in this thread that I admire a lot of his traits. Nor do I base my opinions off of the Netherland/Amsterdam crowd- though I tend to agree with 90% of their opinions. I love how your assumption is that I'm just a sycophant towards Seb or Thierry's views of the band and treat them like Gods. Even though I'm pretty sure when the Circle came out I was one of the most ardent lovers of it on here. But yeah, I'm totally a drone

I'm pretty sure this place is the only board where people will bitch about Jon because Bon Jovi isn't exactly a high-frequency topic on the internet lol. You're not going to go to blogs on MSNBC or turn on the BBC and see six thousand topics relating to the band. The only other major site dedicated to Bon Jovi is Backstage, and we know that site is a totalitarian regime. So of course this website is the only place where you'd hear negative opinions about Jonny boy; it's the only relevant hub where people can discuss the band. Makes sense, right?

I'm not sure why you refuse to believe that Jon might be an arrogant sonuvabitch who cares more about his own legacy and the brand he's built than making truly original music or really reaching out to fans. I'm pretty sure that god-awful documentary they released last fall, where Jon was bitching about how hard his lifestyle was while being driven around in luxury, made that blatantly obvious. I'm also not sure why it's suddenly an absurd idea that Jon Bon Jovi, probably one of the most meticulous band leaders in the industry, would have people keeping watch and tabs on reactions to an event as unexpected and alarming as him blowing out his leg during a live show. It would seem like the perfectly expected and logical course of action on his part.

I'm also not sure why the fact I believe that suggests to you that I think Jon is Satan. Jon is very much a human being. I study personality for a living. Jon's personality type is extremely obvious: he's what they call a "Fieldmarshal" a natural born CEO who uses his gut and instincts, rather than knowledge or motivational skills, to get to the top. Jon's admitted in interviews he has no clue about different types of guitars, he just gets Richie and co. to choose the right stuff for him. He also couldn't help but take several detours in mid-life to see if he could build a better kingdom. That's all classic "Fieldmarshal" behavior. So is being somewhat cynical, arrogant towards people they feel are inferior, not having a penchant for smalltalk, and having very little interest in pleasing others... but most of all, the success of himself is just as important, if not more, than the success or originality of the project, or in this case the art.

Which is fine. That's who Jon is. Like I said, I wish he openly showed that side of him more, like he did in that interview in a London newspaper just before the O2 string, where he made a lot of off-beat sarcastic jokes. That's the real Jon. The one who gives bleached smiles who makes small talk jokes in interviews is a facade.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:57 AM
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I just want to say...

That I don't give a flying **** whether he did this 'endless encore' or whatever the hell it is, or how long he claims they played for before it happened. I don't give a shit.

What I care about is that he hurt himself, I hope he got the medical treatment he needed, and I hope the injury is not so severe as to prevent him from continuing the tour.

THAT is what I care about, and as fans, it's what you all should care about too.
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