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Old 07-13-2010, 02:32 PM
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That's good he's okay. Those dancing shoes have a lot of "bounce" left in them, yet.
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:28 PM
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I guess you haven't been reading my posts that thoroughly. I've never called Jon a "demon"
Didn't say you did. No one has. He's been demonized.

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; I think I even stated in this thread that I admire a lot of his traits. Nor do I base my opinions off of the Netherland/Amsterdam crowd- though I tend to agree with 90% of their opinions. I love how your assumption is that I'm just a sycophant towards Seb or Thierry's views of the band and treat them like Gods. Even though I'm pretty sure when the Circle came out I was one of the most ardent lovers of it on here. But yeah, I'm totally a drone
This paragraph is a perfect example of the conclusions you jump to. Where do I name Seb or Thierry as your Gods? Where do I fault them? It's a collective effort....as goes with any mob.

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I'm pretty sure this place is the only board where people will bitch about Jon because Bon Jovi isn't exactly a high-frequency topic on the internet lol. You're not going to go to blogs on MSNBC or turn on the BBC and see six thousand topics relating to the band. The only other major site dedicated to Bon Jovi is Backstage, and we know that site is a totalitarian regime. So of course this website is the only place where you'd hear negative opinions about Jonny boy; it's the only relevant hub where people can discuss the band. Makes sense, right?
That's a somewhat lengthy paragraph as another way of saying you missed the point of testimonials from those who actually deal with the man show no evidence of the fan fiction version. Contrast this with Gene Simmons, who the fans here have seemed to confuse Jon for. You'll find plenty of first person testimonies to his arrogance by journalists and musicians who have dealt with him.

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I'm not sure why you refuse to believe that Jon might be an arrogant sonuvabitch who cares more about his own legacy and the brand he's built than making truly original music or really reaching out to fans. I'm pretty sure that god-awful documentary they released last fall, where Jon was bitching about how hard his lifestyle was while being driven around in luxury, made that blatantly obvious. I'm also not sure why it's suddenly an absurd idea that Jon Bon Jovi, probably one of the most meticulous band leaders in the industry, would have people keeping watch and tabs on reactions to an event as unexpected and alarming as him blowing out his leg during a live show. It would seem like the perfectly expected and logical course of action on his part.
Because I have seen no evidence. All I saw in the documentary was a stressed out man with more responsibility than you can even comprehend. You aren't helping your case here citing it. He spends his time locked away from the world in hotel rooms staying on top of the business instead of sight seeing with all that money. Money and fame do not equal better quality of life. Young and poor quickly scoff at that, but why do lottery winners coming from poverty echo the exact same sentiment?

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I'm also not sure why the fact I believe that suggests to you that I think Jon is Satan. Jon is very much a human being. I study personality for a living. Jon's personality type is extremely obvious: he's what they call a "Fieldmarshal" a natural born CEO who uses his gut and instincts, rather than knowledge or motivational skills, to get to the top. Jon's admitted in interviews he has no clue about different types of guitars, he just gets Richie and co. to choose the right stuff for him. He also couldn't help but take several detours in mid-life to see if he could build a better kingdom. That's all classic "Fieldmarshal" behavior. So is being somewhat cynical, arrogant towards people they feel are inferior, not having a penchant for smalltalk, and having very little interest in pleasing others... but most of all, the success of himself is just as important, if not more, than the success or originality of the project, or in this case the art.

Which is fine. That's who Jon is. Like I said, I wish he openly showed that side of him more, like he did in that interview in a London newspaper just before the O2 string, where he made a lot of off-beat sarcastic jokes. That's the real Jon. The one who gives bleached smiles who makes small talk jokes in interviews is a facade.
The problem with your last two paragraphs is they offer no supporting evidence for any of your conclusions so are quite wasteful of the space used. So you've come up with a term to describe his personality type. That's cute. Where do you get your evidence that he is cynical and arrogant toward people he finds inferior? Where is the evidence that he sees the world in superiority/inferiority? Where is the evidence that he has no interest in pleasing others? I can get behind it more when the evidence is presented.
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Old 07-13-2010, 08:51 PM
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Jon interview about his inury:

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Old 07-13-2010, 10:38 PM
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How ironic that the When We Were Beautiful DVD begins and ends with Jon having his legs stretched, LOL!
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:48 PM
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How ironic that the When We Were Beautiful DVD begins and ends with Jon having his legs stretched, LOL!
I think it is not as much ironic as it may seem to us. It only shows that his calf injury is not the first injury he has had. From what I know Jon has some knee problems due to wear and tear. This is what unfortunetly happens to all those who are extremely physically active - I mean all sportsmen, both professional and amateurs have much more injuries than the rest of the population. Nothing strange if you use your muscles and joints some ten times more intensively than a person who is not excessively active.

You know, for the past four years I have been participating in swimming events for the amateurs. And whenever I enter the cloackroom I can see people massaging their calfs and thighs, rubbing in ben-gay or any othe anti-inflammatory ointments etc etc. Sometimes I have a feeling that I am in Old People's house
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Old 07-14-2010, 04:04 AM
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You both are (Rainsong + Becky) blind followers. You two (and some more people) are always defending Jon and the band on every discission they make...
I'm not a blind follower of anyone or anything, but I really don't see any big conspiracy in that tweet. Calling out Glad is an indication that there were indeed a few more songs planned, at least by Jon since that is what has happened in the past when he starts calling out songs in an encore. Don't see any reason not to believe him here.
As for the "oh he's using his injury" I just don't get where that comes from.
There are people here who are just as far the other way about Jon as you accuse me of being here, you being one of them quite often. No matter what Jon says or does some of you put some ill motive or bad intent or self serving theory behind it. I just think some things are just what they are. He tweeted to say what happened, that he's gonna be ok and that the shows will go on period.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:50 AM
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Jon interview about his inury:

http://www.mediafire.com/?jcmmny1yndj
oh man - you gotta love jbj - this interview is hilarious -

interesting note for brian - he says the saratoga shows were basically a way to get the trucks from one stadium to another...nothing like picking up some extra cash and making some people happy who wouldnt normally get to see them -

also an actual honest answer to an interesting question about venue choice...
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:06 AM
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Judging from the vids on youtube, the atmosphere at those shows seem like a breath of fresh air, they should do these smaller outdoor sheds more often, een though judging from the setlists the band sees them as more or less of an afterthought......
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:15 AM
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Jon interview about his inury:

http://www.mediafire.com/?jcmmny1yndj
He says that they make a BIG point of changing the setlist dramatically. hehehe
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:43 AM
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I'm listening to the intro of the interview and...this is such a naive thing to say, but I never realized how much the singles sounded like each other.
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