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Richie in his prime against Phil X is a no brainer for anyone surely? Richie was a beast.

His fall from grace has been huge, so huge some people are preferring Phil X over him
But no, that's not what people are preferring. You can't compare how someone used to be to how someone else is NOW. Of course EVERYONE wants Richie as he was in the band now but he's not and the person who is wants to be there and is adding new life to the band. People are preferring THAT to flubs and repetitive guitars from someone who's passion in the band diminished.
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I don't think they played it. It would make no sense to waste a world premier on a show like this.

In the past they debuted lead singles on higher-profile promo appearances, e.g. BBC radio or Iheartradio shows (e.g. BWC, WDYG, WWBTF, etc.)
Oh, they played it..... Not that I really want to first hear it done live via a poor fan recording at a corporate event, but it's there.

Hopefully, they'll be doing such appearances, as I've been anticipating, very soon.
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But no, that's not what people are preferring. You can't compare how someone used to be to how someone else is NOW. Of course EVERYONE wants Richie as he was in the band now but he's not and the person who is wants to be there and is adding new life to the band. People are preferring THAT to flubs and repetitive guitars from someone who's passion in the band diminished.
This was Richie in 2013 in the band:


I tried to be open-minded about Phil and I think he is a good guitar player, but seeing him in 2013 in Europe, it was clear that the songs just fell flat. He doesnt really fit into Bon Jovi for me. I dont mind him, he just shouldnt play stadiums in my opinion.
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But no, that's not what people are preferring. You can't compare how someone used to be to how someone else is NOW. Of course EVERYONE wants Richie as he was in the band now but he's not and the person who is wants to be there and is adding new life to the band. People are preferring THAT to flubs and repetitive guitars from someone who's passion in the band diminished.
We're preferring someone that is engaged versus someone that is clocking in and out while looking completely uninterested in being there short of getting paid.
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richie is bon jovi...he was there for 27 years...he created the band with the other guys...

phil x is getting paid, didnt risk anything, he is a cool guy but you cant tell phil commited .

he is more trustworthy than richie was last 4-5 years but lets not forget the preious 27 .
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But no, that's not what people are preferring. You can't compare how someone used to be to how someone else is NOW. Of course EVERYONE wants Richie as he was in the band now but he's not and the person who is wants to be there and is adding new life to the band. People are preferring THAT to flubs and repetitive guitars from someone who's passion in the band diminished.
I didn't say people prefer Phil over Prime Richie. I meant his fall from grace has been so huge people are now preferring another player over him as he is now.
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This was Richie in 2013 in the band:

Bon Jovi - Keep The Faith (Tampa 2013) - YouTube

I tried to be open-minded about Phil and I think he is a good guitar player, but seeing him in 2013 in Europe, it was clear that the songs just fell flat. He doesnt really fit into Bon Jovi for me. I dont mind him, he just shouldnt play stadiums in my opinion.
But he didn't want to be there. Showing an example of him not making a mistake doesn't take away the mistakes. I want someone who wants to be there.
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This was Richie in 2013 in the band:

Bon Jovi - Keep The Faith (Tampa 2013) - YouTube

I tried to be open-minded about Phil and I think he is a good guitar player, but seeing him in 2013 in Europe, it was clear that the songs just fell flat. He doesnt really fit into Bon Jovi for me. I dont mind him, he just shouldnt play stadiums in my opinion.
But judging Phil by 2013 performances would not be very fair. Take a look a Israel perormance of KTF (which I think was the latest of this song, or any other one on the last year's tour), It was the best song on the concert instrumentaly. It's both Phil and Matt who were making it sound really good in my opinion.
And I'm saying it as a Richie fan.
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i don't post very often, but I am objective and have been critical of plenty when it comes to BJ over the years. And I go way back (owned the first two records before Slippery came out).
The band sounded surprisingly good yesterday (and I was in the building). They sounded like they were rehearsing for a tour, ironing out the kinks, etc...which in part, is true, but I liked it being raw...no backing tracks. It's not like Jon/Richie from 20 years ago, but it was still good to my ears. Jon's voice hasn't been the same in a long time, so I don't hold it against him that he can't hit some notes. And in fairness, he's not in touring shape yet, either.

The new songs didn't sound great live, but I think that's more because I don't think either song is very good in general. Knockout just doesn't sound like BJ at all, to me.
I had to come to the meeting late, so didn't get a good seat to see them up close. I was expecting them to play at the end of the meeting, but they played early. I think I have some video of the new songs, but will have to check my phone later.
Thank you for your feedback.
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Helloooo! Does anybody have links to a video of them performing the new songs? Really curious how Knockout sounds live. Thank you (my first post on this forum, please be kind haha)

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