New shows (promo?)

Nothing has leaked sofar unfortunately.

Me either Thierry - and you are I definitely qualify as die hards. There doesn't seem to be much future in it for them if even the die hards can't go.

The people who go to this will be bored of housewives of rich businessmen who will pay for it so their wives can hear Livin on a prayer.

This. Which will be reflected in the energy level......the lack of it.

Why do people assume only housewives go to these things? There are plenty of educated, employed women who are fans who can pay their own way.

I, unfortunately, an an educated, employed woman who would never pay that much plus air fare for one show.

Please stop insulting female fans as if we are all uneducated and incapable women. Also please stop insulting all housewives. There are many housewives who are educated and choose to stay home because the cost of childcare is more than what would be lost staying home and being involved in your own children's upbringing.

This ^ specifically. I am disappointed in those of you that I know supporting this sort of crap. I am a civil engineer and I have been a fan for years. I also would never pay that amount of money for a show. My husband is also a civil engineer and he is also a fan but would never pay those prices - even if we could afford it. Why the hate for "housewives" - most housewives have jobs and if they can afford it - and if they want to go - they should go for it.

Yeah I agree Becky. All this categorising, and derogatory commentary on the "housewives" that listen to the band makes me feel uncomfortable. It would be like saying ACDC fans are all middle-aged alcoholic men - it's an unfair, sexist generalisation. In 2016 this kind of prejudice should be well and truly behind us.

Even If i'm going to anger some people on here...

I'm All against sexism, but I think you are a bit overreacting here. There might be some backward people out there using "housewife" as derogaroty Term for women who stay at Home or even women in General. Just Imagine a world in which for some reason women were dominant over men and men had to fight for their rights over a few centuries... (an unlikely, but Not impossible scenario - there were and are several matriarchial societies).
Granted, i've only been a registered member for little over a month now, but have been reading this board for several years. And my Impression is, that If people aren't getting along on here It's never About gender/Sex. I wouldn't Say that We have sexists on here who don't like the fact that women Post here and have their opinions.
But on the other Hand, my Impression is that Most people on here are conscious, thinking people, no matter If male or female. And That's clearly Not the case with a few of the Fans, those "jovi housewives", uncritical Fans who See jon as a Kind of Infallible god and would Do everything for him.
I See that It's a completely unjustified generalization putting All women or even All Fans into One pot with this These people, but I can See where the stereotype comes from. And when people on here are referring to those "housewives", what they mean really by that is not to insult housewives in General, but those uncritical Fans. And maybe That's what We should call them really.
That's my take on this. Hope I didn't forget anything.

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I don't see the relevance of this at all. Ok, so in this hypothetical scenario we might have derogatory terms for male fans - this still wouldn't be acceptable.
But that's the whole point. You can always "see" where stereotypes come from - idiots who generalise Muslims as being terrorists base this on the fact that there is an element of Islamic extremism at the moment. But its not good enough to casually brush it off. I find those fans who idolise the band, especially Jon, to a level beyond just respect or admiration, deluded. And I'm certain that there are also male fans with this "blind faith" in Jon. But regardless, we don't need to bring gender into the equation because that has little or nothing to do with it. I'm sure you've heard and read the opinions of many female fans, and can agree that many women are equally scathing on the band as men. Intentions are intentions, it's what you try to say - but that doesn't shield you from criticism when your intentions can be interpreted as offensive.

I understand, it's very easy to see a middle-aged woman rocking out to BWC at a concert and assume "she's just one of those Backstage with JBJ housewives - she probably can't even tell or doesn't want to admit that Jon's voice is shot". But there's no way to actually tell from one's appearance if they are a housewife.

And even so, what's wrong with being a so-called "housewife"? Nothing in my book, and it certainly doesn't mean they can't have a valid opinion, or that their tastes don't matter!

I'm not saying that all people who have criticised those Jon-worshiping (or Richie-worshiping etc.) fans, calling them 'housewives', are misogynists. To me it's kind of like ... when I was younger I'd often use the term 'gay' to mean 'bad' or 'unfavourable' - like if it was raining and my football match was cancelled I'd say "oh man that's gay". Yeah stupid-sounding I know, and even then I was very supportive of gay rights, marriage equality etc., I certainly wouldn't have considered myself a homophobe. But as I got older I realised that my use of homophobic slurs was totally unjustified and unfair on the LGBT community, and I made a point to stop. Similar thing here.

So no, I don't think I'm overreacting. When someone feels as though they are being prejudged due to their gender, regardless of intention, then that's not something I can let slide.

Ok, that might really have been an unrelevant scenario of mine, kind of a spontaneous "mind blob". Still, you're right - this would not be acceptable either.


From that scathing point (I'll interpret that as "criticizing"), yes, that might be the truth. But Bon Jovi just has that image of being a band catering to a middle-aged women who listen to their songs while ironing or what not, and that does not come from nowhere. Those who are following the band, going to their shows etc., are women, a few husbands/boyfriends and then male people who go there because they actually like the band. But based on my experience, I would say there are more female fans in general, and more women amongst these who do the worshipping. So gender does matter, the one way or the other (not in the way of: all women are deluded Jon-lovers, but the other way round - that there are more deluded Jon-lovers amonst women) Still, I would not say that this really matters for the point, because it is what it is. The point - and I "admit" that freely - is that many built a stereotype around this, and I can understand why many women are pissed off about this.

I don't have anything against housewives. I'm of the opinion that people should decide themselves what they want to do in their lives, and if there's the opportunity to become one and they want to - why not? There are even some men doing this. And I actually estimate those people (who are doing it because of their own free will) quite high, especially when it comes to raising children, because I think parents - in the most cases - know what's best for their own children.
So, to put it in a nut shell, of course are they human beings like any one of us, thus equipped with some inalienable rights, like the right to their own opinion and free speech. The problem is, that some don't know how to use it, so that it's easier for me to simply ignore them (which does not mean that I would forbid them to use it, even if I could).

Yeah. And that's why I suggested giving those fans another name, which does not put all housewives under the stereotype of Jon-worshipping, brainless idiots.

I totally see your point in stating that, as I would consider myself a very liberal- and civil-rights-minded guy. But that's no reason to behave as if the end is nigh if we don't do anything about it. And no reason to use some straw man arguments like "Stop insulting all female fans", either. And I'm saying that as someone who doesn't use the term "housewife" to insult uncritical, deluded fans. Plus, please don't forget that this Jovi-housewife-stereotype does attack every Bon Jovi fan, as many "outsiders" view Bon Jovi as a band for middle-aged women with little to no brains and low standards. So I do know what I'm talking about. It might just be that my skin is a bit thicker than that of many others, so that I don't take this so damn seriosly.
And while it is surely important to state one's interest not to be put into one or the other stereotype, I just tried to find something like a common solution, because, you know, I don't like extremes, the one way or the other. That's why I ended my last post as I did. Only, that nobody seems to really care about it.

By the way, maybe this all should be moved to a separate thread. This is the album thread, after all, and it got pretty much derailed.