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Originally Posted by Manbou
Just Imagine a world in which for some reason women were dominant over men and men had to fight for their rights over a few centuries... (an unlikely, but Not impossible scenario - there were and are several matriarchial societies).
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I don't see the relevance of this at all. Ok, so in this hypothetical scenario we might have derogatory terms for male fans - this still wouldn't be acceptable.
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Originally Posted by Manbou
But on the other Hand, my Impression is that Most people on here are conscious, thinking people, no matter If male or female. And That's clearly Not the case with a few of the Fans, those "jovi housewives", uncritical Fans who See jon as a Kind of Infallible god and would Do everything for him.
I See that It's a completely unjustified generalization putting All women or even All Fans into One pot with this These people, but I can See where the stereotype comes from. And when people on here are referring to those "housewives", what they mean really by that is not to insult housewives in General, but those uncritical Fans. And maybe That's what We should call them really.
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But that's the whole point. You can always "see" where stereotypes come from - idiots who generalise Muslims as being terrorists base this on the fact that there
is an element of Islamic extremism at the moment. But its not good enough to casually brush it off. I find those fans who idolise the band, especially Jon, to a level beyond just respect or admiration, deluded. And I'm certain that there are also male fans with this "blind faith" in Jon. But regardless, we don't need to bring gender into the equation because that has little or nothing to do with it. I'm sure you've heard and read the opinions of many female fans, and can agree that many women are equally scathing on the band as men. Intentions are intentions, it's what you try to say - but that doesn't shield you from criticism when your intentions can be interpreted as offensive.
I understand, it's very easy to see a middle-aged woman rocking out to BWC at a concert and assume "she's just one of those Backstage with JBJ housewives - she probably can't even tell or doesn't want to admit that Jon's voice is shot". But there's no way to actually tell from one's appearance if they are a housewife.
And even so, what's wrong with being a so-called "housewife"? Nothing in my book, and it certainly doesn't mean they can't have a valid opinion, or that their tastes don't matter!
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Originally Posted by Manbou
Granted, i've only been a registered member for little over a month now, but have been reading this board for several years. And my Impression is, that If people aren't getting along on here It's never About gender/Sex. I wouldn't Say that We have sexists on here who don't like the fact that women Post here and have their opinions.
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I'm not saying that all people who have criticised those Jon-worshiping (or Richie-worshiping etc.) fans, calling them 'housewives', are misogynists. To me it's kind of like ... when I was younger I'd often use the term 'gay' to mean 'bad' or 'unfavourable' - like if it was raining and my football match was cancelled I'd say "oh man that's gay". Yeah stupid-sounding I know, and even then I was very supportive of gay rights, marriage equality etc., I certainly wouldn't have considered myself a homophobe. But as I got older I realised that my use of homophobic slurs was totally unjustified and unfair on the LGBT community, and I made a point to stop. Similar thing here.
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Originally Posted by Manbou
I'm All against sexism, but I think you are a bit overreacting here. There might be some backward people out there using "housewife" as derogaroty Term for women who stay at Home or even women in General.
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So no, I don't think I'm overreacting. When someone feels as though they are being prejudged due to their gender, regardless of intention, then that's not something I can let slide.