No Richie on current leg of the tour

Walleris · #**3831** 05-17-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800

I'm With You got played on the promo shows so maybe they are counting that

It was played once on tour as well, in Toronto.

nickolai · #**3832** 05-17-2013, 08:22 PM

Maybe its as simple as Richie just wants a bit of time out. He's burned out and feels he's at risk from re-lapse.

Crushgen24/88 · #**3833** 05-17-2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JordanRose

Great post, Mr.B, a pleasure to read, as always.

LOL@ herding ****ing cats.

On your last point, maybe after being sober a while Richie has grown past wanting to show up and be handed a setlist and have everything else taken care of.

He waited 14 years after Undiscovered to put out another solo record. Since he's become clean and way past the halfway point he's said he'd like to do a lot more solo work.

Would it be too much for him to ask to do both and ride the Jovi coat-tails a tad? Obviously in this case there are specific timing and conflict of interest issues but that aside, would there be a single drawback for anyone anywhere if e.g. Richie got a 3-song solo spot in the middle of Jovi shows and they sold and promoted his albums and merch at the stands?

I can hear one objection: "a short Richie set would kill the crowd and suck the life out of the place". **** that attitude. Here are some of the spots Axl Rose gives his band at every show:

Tommy Stinson: Motivation (Tommy solo song)/Sonic Reducer (full songs with vocals)
Dizzy Reed: Ziggy Stardust
Richard Fortus: James Bond Theme
DJ Asba: Solo songs
Bumblefoot: full solo songs with vocals

Not to mention numerous improvised segues and jams ranging from 'I Want You Back' to 'Back In Black'.

Axl doesn't give a **** if some people use these spots as piss-breaks and they deflate the crowd because it's a rock show not a pop show with a choreographed hits set designed to keep people high from start to end. As he says: "This isn't Burger King. It's not 'Have It Your Way.'"

The other objection I hear is from Captain Johnny because, let's be real, if he was going to be so gracious to his amazingly talented wingman he would have chosen to do it himself years or decades ago.

What this whole Richie episode gives me is a little hope that, if Sambongo has big enough balls, instead of eventually going back hat in hand, he might force a conversation that leads to changes for the better such as a decent rest period for the band; a real band writing period without Shanks; a return to their rock roots etc etc

1. Axl gives out that delusional amount of solos because his voice can barely hold up, and he needs to go backstage and suck down oxygen and whatever else to get him through the set. Not to mention that there isn't a damn thing "improvised" at a 2013 GN'R show, but I digress.

2. I'll never understand the whole "Evil Jon wants to make pop records and stops Saint Richie from playing 85 minute solos at every turn." Richie has never expressed a problem with what the band puts out, he spouts off numbers and accolades just as much as Jon does, and every track on his recent solo album (for better worse) could have fit on any of the last 5 Bon Jovi albums. So no, I don't think if Richie returns it will lead to some kind of mutiny.

jessycardy · #**3834** 05-17-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by idbl_fanatic

Tico:

"Richie's been a big part of our band, and so its difficult sometimes in life, everybody has personal lives, and you have to give people space, we'll continue on as a band, we miss him, and before, whatever it's worth, it's important to have your own life."

Thank you!

MrNickel · #**3835** 05-17-2013, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZM2KUCVe_I#t=02m21s

In response to Bobby's YGLABN solo, dear god what is he doing. Glad I didn't get a ticket for that crap.

In response to the Press conference video, I admit I bash Jon alot but I figure he's right to put some pressure on Richie to at least shed some light on why he isn't there.

Lisa71 · #**3836** 05-17-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aljo

Yes it isn't doing anyone any good but to me that's Jon's way of saying to Richie, yeah you left and we are still touring and doing well without you. He just doesn't seem that sympathetic anymore.

I think him saying it's just as a good, is really Jon being the business man, he probably knows that it's not just as good but his at a press conference, selling the shows. He can not say, it's not the same but still come to the shows. What he says publicly and privately are two seperate things. Also you have a point, it's probably a kick in a the ass to Richie too. Get your butt in gear because life is moving on.

Bounce7800 · #**3837** 05-17-2013, 10:40 PM

I see from the AEG e-mail I just got that they are now doing "lucky dip" tickets for the UK shows which probably says a lot about sales, buy a £45 ticket and you may get standing, or GC or even DC.

liljovi93 · #**3838** 05-17-2013, 10:43 PM

I think it's sounding more and more like Richie rang Jon up, told him it's not the same anymore and he just wants time off. 'He didn't turn up and he will be back when he wants to be.' sort of thing.

Jon has the whole 'the show must go on' personality and obviously isn't THAT fussed. If he's back, he's back. He wants him back, but he knows he has Phil X to back him up if he doesn't come back. That isn't good enough, though.

Richie really needs to pull his finger out.

danfan · #**3839** 05-17-2013, 11:14 PM

I;d say it seems pretty obvious at this point this is all Richie. For whatever reason, he doesn't want to be in the band right now. Just sucks he couldn't have decided that before they released the album and started the tour.

He's a big boy. If he'd prefer to play his solo stuff to crowds of about 100 people every night instead of Bon Jovi music to 50,000, have a ball. Personally, it's starting to sound to me like Richie's being a whiny little bitch over the failure of Aftermath.

DestinationJovi · #**3840** 05-17-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisa71

I think him saying it's just as a good, is really Jon being the business man, he probably knows that it's not just as good but his at a press conference, selling the shows. He can not say, it's not the same but still come to the shows. What he says publicly and privately are two seperate things. Also you have a point, it's probably a kick in a the ass to Richie too. Get your butt in gear because life is moving on.

It was 100% a business statement. This press conference was solely to promote the tour. He can't say "yeah, we're flying the plane with one wing, but we're getting by." He HAS to say it's just as good to not only sell tickets, but to deter any more refunds.

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