Official European 2019 tourdates (Check 1st post for updates)

Originally Posted by rocker1981

However look at Bon Jovi at their peak...

EDIT

If it sells out, the 2019 tour won't be all that different in total sales to 1995, 1996, 2000 and 2001.

Originally Posted by Supersonic

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Scandinavia is close? It takes at least 1 day to get to Scandinavia by car. How is that in any way close? The same with Germany, it's not as if you just hop in your car and get to Germany for most people in Holland or Belgium. Besides, not many are open to the idea of travelling to another country to go see a show. Of the 40.000 tickets the band would sell maybe 1.000 would be willing to travel to another place which in the end has little impact on how many tickets get sold.



Never been so popular? Erm, The Netherlands and Belgium used to be one of Bon Jovi's biggest markets. The last time Bon Jovi played Belgium they sold close to as many tickets as in Croatia, and that's with Belgium being saturated.

Compared to before most of Western Europe has just lost a lot of interest in Bon Jovi due to saturation and poor output in general. I'm sure sales will pick up eventually but to say the market wasn't big in a country where they used to be able to sell 40.000 tickets without a hitch sounds rather uninformed.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by phoenixy

No, you don't know me (unless you do).
This is the first time I'm going to a Bon Jovi concert, though I wanted to go to Vienna in 2008, 2011, 2013, but life always got in the way.

Originally Posted by rokenrola

From 2000 to today attendance in Belgium and Holland are between 30 000 and 40 000 so I dont see them as a big markets,if they toured eastern europe they could easily outsell those two markets any time. Big markets are those with more than one show per tour and they play mostly arenas and festivals in Belgium and Holland.

Originally Posted by Bounce7800

It's a shame in a way that they might not need to do any promo to shift some tickets.

Would have been nice if they could have done the New Years Eve BBC concert, especially as they could open the 2nd part of the set after the fireworks with New Years Day.

Originally Posted by Supersonic

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If you keep coming up with incorrect information it makes it kind of hard to have a conversation here.

Bon Jovi have played 1 festival in Holland and have never done any festival shows in Belgium. Besides that, whenever Bon Jovi was on tour they haven't done any arena shows in Holland or Belgium since 1993. The lowest attendance any Bon Jovi show had in those countries in the last 20 years was on a festival date which had been poorly marketed and went bankrupt soon after. Attendance? 25.000.

Besides that, they've toured Eastern Europe in 2011 and sold 35.000 tickets in Croatia, 36.000 in Istanbul and 55.000 in Bucharest. 2 years later they did 1 show in Eastern Europe with an attendance of 50.000. This is an average of 44.000 tickets sold in a place they'd never been before.

Now let's have a look at the attendance history of Bon Jovi in the Netherlands:

2000: 35.000 tickets sold
2001: 85.000 tickets sold
2003: 50.000 tickets sold
2006: 40.000 tickets sold
2008: 35.000 tickets sold
2010: 25.000 tickets sold

The low number for 2010 originates from a different promoter who went bankrupt soon after as many refused to go thinking the show wouldn't go on. Originally a stadium show in Holland was planned for 2011 but promoters couldn't agree on the deal with Bon Jovi Management and thus it never happened. Still, you've got an average of 45.000 tickets sold at a saturated market. It's a higher average than the new Eastern European market.

Since then, interest in close to every market has decreased a lot the last few years. Going from 5 to just 2 shows in Germany clearly shows this, as Germany used to be their biggest market. Now I'm sure there'll be sold out shows at some places, attendances will vary, but why risk it in Eastern Europe with several shows when there's a history in Western Europe of both steady income and a vaste amount of people buying tickets? Just because you're convinced it'd be a good idea?

You're trying to make your point by bringing up made up facts just so you can justify your argument of Bon Jovi needing to play in Eastern Europe. I've no idea why they're not doing it either but clearly the money wasn't offered to them or more shows would've taken place. It's just the way it is.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !



If you keep coming up with incorrect information it makes it kind of hard to have a conversation here.

Bon Jovi have played 1 festival in Holland and have never done any festival shows in Belgium. Besides that, whenever Bon Jovi was on tour they haven't done any arena shows in Holland or Belgium since 1993. The lowest attendance any Bon Jovi show had in those countries in the last 20 years was on a festival date which had been poorly marketed and went bankrupt soon after. Attendance? 25.000.

Besides that, they've toured Eastern Europe in 2011 and sold 35.000 tickets in Croatia, 36.000 in Istanbul and 55.000 in Bucharest. 2 years later they did 1 show in Eastern Europe with an attendance of 50.000. This is an average of 44.000 tickets sold in a place they'd never been before.

Now let's have a look at the attendance history of Bon Jovi in the Netherlands:

2000: 35.000 tickets sold
2001: 85.000 tickets sold
2003: 50.000 tickets sold
2006: 40.000 tickets sold
2008: 35.000 tickets sold
2010: 25.000 tickets sold

The low number for 2010 originates from a different promoter who went bankrupt soon after as many refused to go thinking the show wouldn't go on. Originally a stadium show in Holland was planned for 2011 but promoters couldn't agree on the deal with Bon Jovi Management and thus it never happened. Still, you've got an average of 45.000 tickets sold at a saturated market. It's a higher average than the new Eastern European market.

Since then, interest in close to every market has decreased a lot the last few years. Going from 5 to just 2 shows in Germany clearly shows this, as Germany used to be their biggest market. Now I'm sure there'll be sold out shows at some places, attendances will vary, but why risk it in Eastern Europe with several shows when there's a history in Western Europe of both steady income and a vaste amount of people buying tickets? Just because you're convinced it'd be a good idea?

You're trying to make your point by bringing up made up facts just so you can justify your argument of Bon Jovi needing to play in Eastern Europe. I've no idea why they're not doing it either but clearly the money wasn't offered to them or more shows would've taken place. It's just the way it is.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi

June 12, 2011 Munich, Germany - 68,025 / 68,025 $5,450,997
July 20, 2011: Athens, Greece - 60,652 / 60,652 $6,594,404

The only gig that had more income for Bon Jovi than the show in Greece are the two nights in MSG, and that's because there were 2 nights. And I don't mention that for the income but for the high prices that were applied in Greece, though it was a sold out.

Croatia had a small stadium and that would explain the 35K, Turkish show was done in a 50K stadium capacity, I could say that, that was a low attendance despite the mentioned sold out.

I wouldn't say it's a risk to do a show in Serbia for example cause it can cover Greece, Bulgaria, Montenegro and other surrounding countries as well. Maybe it couldn't happen for logistic reasons though.

Other than that I agree with you on most of your points but I still think it's a mistake adding a show in both Belgium and the Netherlands. It's like adding a show in Estonia & Finland for example.