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Old 09-03-2019, 11:29 AM
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So… what did you like more Deff Leppard or Skid Row?

I personally liked more Skid Row…
I liked more Manic Street Preachers.
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Old 11-23-2019, 12:41 AM
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THE TOP TOURING AERTISTS OF THE DECADE
No. 6
BON JOVI
Decade Gross: $836,661,584
Tours: The Circle Tour (2010); Bon Jovi Live (2011); Because We Can; The Tour (2013); Bon Jovi Live! (2015); This House Is Not For Sale Tour (2017-19)
The Team: Management: Full Stop Management, Irving Azoff. Agency: CAA
Bon Jovi has been a rock 'n' roll workhorse since emerging from New Jersey in the late 1980s, but it takes more than just a willingness to put nose to grindstone that puts a band among the Top 10 touring artists of a decade.
There're the music, and there's magix; and amazin team making sure all the pieces fit together and the machine is tuned to its finest. And when your frontman is Jon Bon Jovi, the rest follows.
Having one of the great frontmen of all time on board "is pretty special," Bon Jovi agent Chris Dalston of CAA tells Pollstar. "There are very few bands that can play stadiums and arenas around the world for as long as they can. I have worked at CAA for over 20 years and each tour seems to be bigger than the one before. Jon listens to music and knows trends and genres as well as anyone. He is very competitive. This is his career and he wants it to last as long as possible. He takes care of himself and follows a punishinf routine to stay healthy and focused. Many young bands can learn a lot about work ethic from watching Jon," Dalston says.
And he's been watching Bon Jovi a long time, having started out as the ban's international agent, going with the band to Asia. "He wants to know that the people working for him are singularly focused and that he can expect nothing but passion, dedication and loyalty. And he'll give you the same in return." - POLLSTAR
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Old 11-27-2019, 01:17 AM
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https://www.pollstar.com/top-touring-artists
Well,no matter what we could say about band in negative way,these numbers say a lot.
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Old 11-27-2019, 05:59 AM
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Well,no matter what we could say about band in negative way,these numbers say a lot.
Yes they do, especially when you consider that over the last 10 years Bon Jovi made $836,661,584; but only $43 mil of that came from their latest tour. Compare that to GNR where $584 million of their 10-year total of $648 million, came from their latest 'Not in This Lifetime' tour alone (Apr 2016 - Nov. 2019). That makes the GNR tour the third highest grossing tour of all time, behind Ed Sheeran and U2.

(https://www.iheart.com/content/2019-...mpid=headline1)

Looks like Phil-X was right: the real money is in reunion tours.
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Old 11-27-2019, 05:37 PM
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Yes they do, especially when you consider that over the last 10 years Bon Jovi made $836,661,584; but only $43 mil of that came from their latest tour. Compare that to GNR where $584 million of their 10-year total of $648 million, came from their latest 'Not in This Lifetime' tour alone (Apr 2016 - Nov. 2019). That makes the GNR tour the third highest grossing tour of all time, behind Ed Sheeran and U2.

(https://www.iheart.com/content/2019-...mpid=headline1)

Looks like Phil-X was right: the real money is in reunion tours.
Sorry, but this is a horrible analogy.

First, THINFS tour did not draw that much relative to previous tours, because it did not have the same scale. They were playing ~32 dates per year, compared to 102 in 2013, 59 in 2011 and 85 in 2010. GNR on the other hand, had 175 shows in the NITL tour, they basically travelled around the world twice in the course of a 3.5 year period (you might as well call two tours), compared to the previous tours which were 40-50 shows per tour. How you name the tour (or merge multiple legs into "one tour) is just semantics, the real indicator comes from taking a comparable number of shows. Only then you would have an apples to apples situation.

Second, while I hope Richie comes back, but his return would not have anywhere near the level of Slash's return to GNR, because there was no massive drop in ticket sales. I expect a small spike (c. 5% in US and 10-15% in Europe), but nowhere near Slash's level of impact. GNR is a stadium act with Slash and a fringe arena act without Slash. Bon Jovi in this day and age is a fringe stadium act and a very strong arena act, with or without Richie.
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Yeah agreed. The money isn't in more members, it's in having a singer that can handle 100+ shows a year.
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Old 11-27-2019, 10:21 PM
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Sorry, but this is a horrible analogy.


First, THINFS tour did not draw that much relative to previous tours, because it did not have the same scale. They were playing ~32 dates per year, compared to 102 in 2013, 59 in 2011 and 85 in 2010. GNR on the other hand, had 175 shows in the NITL tour, they basically travelled around the world twice in the course of a 3.5 year period (you might as well call two tours), compared to the previous tours which were 40-50 shows per tour. How you name the tour (or merge multiple legs into "one tour) is just semantics, the real indicator comes from taking a comparable number of shows. Only then you would have an apples to apples situation.


Second, while I hope Richie comes back, but his return would not have anywhere near the level of Slash's return to GNR, because there was no massive drop in ticket sales. I expect a small spike (c. 5% in US and 10-15% in Europe), but nowhere near Slash's level of impact. GNR is a stadium act with Slash and a fringe arena act without Slash. Bon Jovi in this day and age is a fringe stadium act and a very strong arena act, with or without Richie.

Nowhere did I suggest that a reunion tour with Richie would have the same impact that Slash did with GNR; only that the NITL tour showed there may be some truth to Phil-X's statement that reunion tours are where the big paychecks come from.

You may be right about it being a bad analogy, though. It obviously didn't serve the intended purpose, since it seems you totally missed the point; and actually made practically the same argument in your response. I wasn't comparing THINFS to previous tours. Rokenrola had pointed to those rankings as support for his argument that BJ is still (currently) doing well, despite the negativity he finds so objectionable. My point was that it might be true, if the 836m total that placed BJ in that position was a reflection their current status. But based on the numbers I had, it wasn't. It primarily represented the Bon Jovi of 2010 thru 2013 because the 43 mil gross I found for THINFS would have been a negligible percent of that total, and BJ would drop only one spot in the rankings if THINFS were removed altogether. Whereas, like you pointed out, the direct opposite is true for GNR, where the total of everything but the NITL tour accounted for only 64m, a negligible portion of their decade total of 648m. The GNR total is a more accurate reflection of who they are today than it is of GNR prior to NITL.

Turns out it's a moot point anyway, though, because while I maintain that my reasoning was sound, my numbers were totally ****ed.

I went back to recalculate, using some of the comparisons you suggested, and discovered that the 43m total I had grabbed from Wiki was based on incomplete information. The actual gross for the THINFS tour is probably closer 223m, which brings it much more in line with the gross revenue of the other tours.


So, apologies to rokenrola for disputing his claim, which now seems to be valid; and to everyone else for wasting their time with incorrect information.
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Old 11-28-2019, 06:45 AM
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What the heck are you talking about??? >_< jajajaja
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Long story. You really had to be there...
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Numbers for the THINFS tour are 232M and 2,27M attenders,does anyone know numbers for individual shows,specially in Europe?
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