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Originally Posted by Walleris
Sorry, but this is a horrible analogy.
First, THINFS tour did not draw that much relative to previous tours, because it did not have the same scale. They were playing ~32 dates per year, compared to 102 in 2013, 59 in 2011 and 85 in 2010. GNR on the other hand, had 175 shows in the NITL tour, they basically travelled around the world twice in the course of a 3.5 year period (you might as well call two tours), compared to the previous tours which were 40-50 shows per tour. How you name the tour (or merge multiple legs into "one tour) is just semantics, the real indicator comes from taking a comparable number of shows. Only then you would have an apples to apples situation.
Second, while I hope Richie comes back, but his return would not have anywhere near the level of Slash's return to GNR, because there was no massive drop in ticket sales. I expect a small spike (c. 5% in US and 10-15% in Europe), but nowhere near Slash's level of impact. GNR is a stadium act with Slash and a fringe arena act without Slash. Bon Jovi in this day and age is a fringe stadium act and a very strong arena act, with or without Richie.
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Nowhere did I suggest that a reunion tour with Richie would have the same impact that Slash did with GNR; only that the NITL tour showed there may be some truth to Phil-X's statement that reunion tours are where the big paychecks come from.
You may be right about it being a bad analogy, though. It obviously didn't serve the intended purpose, since it seems you totally missed the point; and actually made practically the same argument in your response. I wasn't comparing THINFS to previous tours. Rokenrola had pointed to those rankings as support for his argument that BJ is still (currently) doing well, despite the negativity he finds so objectionable. My point was that it might be true, if the 836m total that placed BJ in that position was a reflection their current status. But based on the numbers I had, it wasn't. It primarily represented the Bon Jovi of 2010 thru 2013 because the 43 mil gross I found for THINFS would have been a negligible percent of that total, and BJ would drop only one spot in the rankings if THINFS were removed altogether. Whereas, like you pointed out, the direct opposite is true for GNR, where the total of everything
but the NITL tour accounted for only 64m, a negligible portion of their decade total of 648m. The GNR total is a more accurate reflection of who they are today than it is of GNR prior to NITL.
Turns out it's a moot point anyway, though, because while I maintain that my reasoning
was sound, my numbers were totally ****ed.
I went back to recalculate, using some of the comparisons you suggested, and discovered that the 43m total I had grabbed from Wiki was based on incomplete information. The actual gross for the THINFS tour is probably closer 223m, which brings it much more in line with the gross revenue of the other tours.
So, apologies to rokenrola for disputing his claim, which now seems to be valid; and to everyone else for wasting their time with incorrect information.
