Official February 10, 2013, Verizon Center, Washington D.C thread

What a cop out. Absolutely no problem with them playing the new album to promote it. The setlist is completely ruined by including very average songs from TC and LH and the likes of who says and CC being staples.

The lack of decent ballads winds me up too. IMO at least one of BOR, IBTFY, Always, love song or thanku for loving me should be played every night. They seriously need to rip that set up and start again..

What do you guys think about something like this? Exactly the same quantity of pre-2000 songs that on the concert but with a, in my opinion, better setlist. A post-2000 setlist doesn't mean a shitty one, they made a shitty one because they can.

1. Livin' On A Prayer
2. You Give Love A Bad Name
3. Everyday
4. Lay Your Hands On Me
5. What About Now
6. Superman Tonight
7. Wild Is The Wind
8. Because We Can
9. That's What The Water Made Me
10. We Got It Going On
11. It's My Life
12. Amen
13. The Fighter (Acoustic)
14. Misunderstood (Acoustic) or Mystery Train (Acoustic) or Learn To Love (Acoustic)
15. Just Older
16. What's Left Of Me
17. Army of One
18. Story of My Life
19. Wanted Dead Or Alive
20. Next 100 Years

Encore:
21. Bounce
22. Last Man Standing
23. Have A Nice Day
24. Thank You For Loving Me
25. Keep The Faith

If I go to a concert and they play this, I'd leave pretty happy. Yeah, nothing for my favourite album These Days, but at least is better han having a post-2000 songs setlist but with shitty ones.

This has been coming for a while. Jon has written the 'thoughtful, socially aware' album he has had brewing for a while and this tour marks a different Bon Jovi - one they've been morphing into for a good many years.

The new Jovi no longer open the set by grabbing your throat and your attention. They don't launch the first five songs at you like rockets, barely giving you time to breathe or realise that every inch of you in moving to the music, every part covered in sweat already. Succinctly put, they are no longer a big venue band; they just don't have the songs for it - not playing a set like that.

Jon cannot have it both ways - if he is going to stand still, play the guitar and let the music do the talking, the music has to move people; either in a tribal kind of way (KTF, RYH, LTHOM) or lyrically and musically - the PROPER version of Sat Nite, Something To Believe In, BOR... The new songs just don't hit either of those sweet spots - show me the 'moment' in these songs, the 'oh my god, I LOVE that bit, it's SO Jovi'. Show me the lyric that matches 'As I dream about movies they won't make of me when I'm dead... '

So if he wants to play his watered-down Springsteen/Mumford and Sons rip offs, fine, there's plenty who would queue around the block to hear him squeeze out a fart on stage but he has to take a step back and realise his place in music history is not as the vagabond storyteller and no matter how much he tries to bend our arms up our back to convince us, he's just going to be left playing to those people who accept him playing absolutely anything.

The joke of it is, if he did just play a load of stuff from the 80s and 90s, those who LOVE everything the band do would still be happy! I don't believe anyone wants that though but mix it up. And for God's sake, open with something that gets people's pulses raised.

I remember Milton Keynes, 96 I think it was, Wanted acoustic. At the time, it was enough to make some people say the set list was shite; looking back, I'd take that set list any day of the week now. But back then, it was Jon trying to be current, trying to be relevant and take the emphasis off of what was then a song he'd been carting all over the world for 10 years and his new, shiny material he loved and wanted everyone else to love.

The curse of an artist is not being able to see that they have had their time, their moment (or two, if they are lucky) when they are relevant and the biggest band in the world. Jon has never been able to accept this. He doesn't have anyone close to him who can tell him that he has remained at the top of the touring tree because he's the front man of the best party band in the world... they aren't U2, they aren't E Street and no one else does what they do (did) so well.

But he has to accept that if he is going to change like this; if he's going to stroll on stage, play his basic storytelling songs and wave the guitar about a bit during Captain Crash and Who Says, then his audience will change too.

People only get on their feet when you give them a reason to.

Heh. BJ in europe will play in more than 40% setlist than they played yesterday.
Looks at setlist from last tour and from Barcelona. In 2 setlist which i saw and compared 51 song in both nights and only 13 the same (including Bad Name, Livin or IML)

Interesting to see richie hasnt sung a song on his own yet. Be it solo or a jovi song

What a horrible setlist. No problem with plenty of new songs- however, that was always going to be a struggle at the shows before the album isn't released. You can't go chucking 6/7 songs off an album no-one has. Once its out, then absolutely that amount is perfect, but not just yet. Also Amen & The Fighter simply shouldn't be played at the same show, they should alternate.
The line about not just playing the 80s is sad as that is pretty much their peak and what a lot of their audience enjoys. Yet Jon still doesn't get this, he is out of touch with the audience so much it hurts.

Even by changing things up, they have ditched decent songs and yet kept the dirge- WLOL, Crash, ILTT. I get Jon wants to have a lot of post-2000 tracks in there, but he just doesn't do it in the right way. Swap in Any Other Day for WLOL, Say It Isn't So for Crash, Thorn In My Side in. Its just baffling- we've all heard the same fillers for the last 3 tours. We don't need an overload of LH songs, we've had 2 tours of them. 2/3 LH songs, 2/3 Circle songs, 6/7 new songs and there's plenty of space for the hits.

Starting with Bad Name just feels like they've skipped the opener too. The setlist needs a lot of work. At least the performance sounded ok from the people who were there.

Listen people.

Bon Jovi have 11 studio albums (not inc GH, TLFR and 100M fans) and a 12th on the way.
Roughly that’s 125 (150 if you include WAN) songs to choose from. Let’s say 120 as nothing with maybe the exception of Runaway is going to come from the first two albums (that’s a crime in my eyes!) so you all aren’t gonna be happy.
Im happy with the amount of newer songs cos too many times over the years we have got a GH set list with 1 or 2 songs from the album the tour is promoting.
Everyone knows I love the first 6 albums – especially the first 4 – more than anything but as the years go by those songs will get fewer and fewer.
JBJ has always said he don’t want to be a nostalgia act so I applaud 7 songs from What About Now.
Yes its gutting that we are losing songs from the bands greatest era – (SWW & NJ) but the band have to keep it fresh for themselves as well.
The only complaint I have is too many Lost Highway songs seem to be creeping in when its widely regarded by fans as the bands midlife crisis album.
Id like to hear Any Other Day from that album and that would be enough.

Jovi are changing – Im gutted – but that’s the way it is. Get used to it.

It's both a little sad and tragic to see how Jon is trying so desperately to deny the past. It's so obvious that he doing everything to come out as "new" and "hip" and I respect Bon Jovi for keep doing albums and staying relevant, and playing many new songs, but it's just comical when he sees Captain Crash, I Love This Town, Whole Lot of Leavin, We Got It Goin etc. as equals to some of the older material. It feels like Bon Jovi is trying to come out as a new band who doesn't have to rely on their old songs, and the old classics are just there because they have to.

The song choices doesn't have to be the most super rare material ever, and I'm well aware over the fact that Jons voice isn't what it used to be. But Just Older, Bounce, Undivded, Any other Day, Say It Isn't So etc. would have made the set list miles better. There is no way any audience in the world can find LH & WLOL in spot 2 & 3 as exciting. Even though I love both the Fighter and Amen it's a horrible combo back to back. Play one of them per night and a big ballad after. It's so obvious what they have to, it's so easy. The only man who has to realize it is Jon, and Jon only. And now, I'm not trying to come out as bitter. I just see some great potential that is gone now.

Sorry but I have no idea what you are writing here...

and the complaining goes on and on. lol. only thing i'm note sure of is bad name opening the show. but at least it's different.