[symbeline]

Originally Posted by kleman

Bon Jovi - 24.06.2013 Prague, Czech Republic - complete recording in full HD quality - YouTube

Whole show on YT, enjoy

Bumping this old thread as I just watched the show from this bootleg (almost deleted it while going through some old hard drives, decided to give it a try at the last minute) and I was quite surprised at how decent it was from start to finish specially since I wasn't under the impression it was considered a good one, is this doctored or polished somehow? I’ve only seen another full show from 2013 (Cologne) and a bunch of songs from other shows (trying to select the best performances of every song), and my general impression of the whole tour was very poor and this show in particular stood out because two things that had been a constant in the 2013 tour were almost non present here: Jon’s horrid nasal voice and an uneven/weak vocal performance. Dare I say he sounded solid the whole show? (by 2013's standards!!)
Whatever they did, it worked and I wouldn't mind this to be the norm. But maybe the rain it's to blame (or I guess it's just in his heart )

Let’s see:

• Faith was amazing, non nasal, he pronounced every word not just random vowels/syllables in the chorus
• Very decent Memory and ITA (a bit flat at the end though)
• At parts he even sounded a little aggressive (GASP), with a rasp (YAY).
• Maybe the songs were sometimes a little bit slower than usual, but he sounded better overall
• Born to Follow is the only one that started bad and quite nasal so I skipped completely (hate the song lol). Also skipped Bad Name, RYH, Who Says, Sleep, but they all started OK and sounded OK at random parts
• Medicine wasn’t nasal and this is always one of the worst offenders. Even the respirator part sounded *good*. Maybe it’s because there were no covers in the middle but at the end? (I love Shout and this rendition was pretty good albeit a little bit slow)
• LOTR was fantastic as always and he sounded pretty pretty strong, easily one of the best versions I’ve heard.
• Wanted sounded too good to be true (except for de HALAAAIV part, that makes my ears bleed everytime). By 2013's standards, again.
• These Days was a neat yet uneven effort, but he sounded solid most of the song, almost non nasal in another of the worst ones. I don't care if he was skipping lines, the parts he sang were solid enough to make up for that. Prayer solid too, TAALS was amazingly good, by 2013’s standards OF COURSE lol

Could this be because Jon seems most of the time low in the mix (or lower than other shows)? You can clearly hear strong backing vocals and loud instruments in every song which gives the songs a well harmonized sound. It’s strange how good Jon sounds considering I can’t hear the crowd, who normally covers for him and drowns his dying cat yodels. I understand next to nothing about sound engineering but a couple friends play in bands and have explained a couple of basic concepts, that’s why I’m asking if there’s something strange going on here...

If there’s no foul play involved, I want this Jon for the remaining of his career, if that's all he can aspire to reach. Voice-wise that's fine by me, I'm not a fan of his nasal voice no matter what, even if he can reach the notes again like in 2008-2011. Now, he could and should improve in the other areas (like moving around much more)

PS: It helped a lot not seeing Jon's contorting face most of the time . It's both painful and sad. Maybe that’s why I enjoyed it so much

[Thierry]

Originally Posted by symbeline

Bumping this old thread as I just watched the show from this bootleg (almost deleted it while going through some old hard drives, decided to give it a try at the last minute) and I was quite surprised at how decent it was from start to finish specially since I wasn't under the impression it was considered a good one, is this doctored or polished somehow? I’ve only seen another full show from 2013 (Cologne) and a bunch of songs from other shows (trying to select the best performances of every song), and my general impression of the whole tour was very poor and this show in particular stood out because two things that had been a constant in the 2013 tour were almost non present here: Jon’s horrid nasal voice and an uneven/weak vocal performance. Dare I say he sounded solid the whole show? (by 2013's standards!!)
Whatever they did, it worked and I wouldn't mind this to be the norm. But maybe the rain it's to blame (or I guess it's just in his heart )

Let’s see:

• Faith was amazing, no nasal, he pronounced every word not just random vowels/syllables in the chorus
• Very decent Memory and ITA (a bit flat at the end though)
• At parts he even sounded a little bit aggressive (GASP), with a rasp (YAY).
• Maybe the songs were a little bit slower but he sounded better overall
• Born to Follow is the only one that started bad and quite nasal so I skipped completely (hate the song lol). Also skipped Bad Name, RYH, Who Says, Sleep, but they all started OK and sounded OK at random parts
• Medicine wasn’t nasal and this is always one of the worst offenders. Even the respirator part sounded *good*. Maybe it’s because there were no covers in the middle but at the end? (I love Shout and this rendition was pretty good albeit a little bit slow)
• LOTR was fantastic as always and he sounded pretty pretty strong, easily one of the best versions I’ve heard.
• Wanted sounded too good to be true (except for de HALAAAIV part, that makes my ears bleed everytime). By 2013's standards, again.
• These Days was a neat yet uneven effort, but he sounded solid most of the song, almost not nasal in another of the worst ones. I don't care if he was skipping lines, the parts he sang were solid enough to make up for that. Prayer solid too, TAALS was amazingly good, by 2013’s standards OF COURSE lol

Could this be because Jon seems most of the time low in the mix (or lower than other shows)? You can clearly hear strong backing vocals and loud instruments in every song which gives the songs a well harmonized sound. It’s strange how good Jon sounds considering I can’t hear the crowd, who normally covers for him and drowns his dying cat yodels. I understand next to nothing about sound engineering but a couple friends play in bands and have explained a couple of basic concepts, that’s why I’m asking if there’s something strange going on here...

If there’s no foul play involved, I want this Jon for the remaining of his career, if that's all he can aspire to reach. Voice-wise that's fine by me, I'm not a fan of his nasal voice no matter what, even if he can reach the notes again like in 2008-2001. Now, he could and should improve in the other areas (like moving around much more)

PS: It helped a lot not seeing Jo's contorting face most of the time . It's both painful and sad. Maybe that’s why I enjoyed it so much

This was a really solid show. The weather sucked but I had a great time. Prague is an awesome city. I remember being totally pumped up and high after the show.

And that recording is as RAW as it gets. I did tape the show and he sounds really decent during this show. Cologne was awesome too. Milan and Stuttgart where really enjoyable too.

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by Thierry

This was a really solid show. The weather sucked but I had a great time. Prague is an awesome city. I remember being totally pumped up and high after the show.

And that recording is as RAW as it gets. I did tape the show and he sounds really decent during this show. Cologne was awesome too. Milan and Stuttgart where really enjoyable too.

He didn't sound so solid in Cologne THROUGHOUT the show. He did sound great in many songs and it was a far superior show than this one, that's true. Haven't seen Milan or Stuttgart in their entirety, juts a few songs, but I also don't remember the consistency I heard in Prague.

I just found it very surprising and the first thing that came to mind was foul play. Proves how much I trust them lol

Glad to see it's the real deal. Now, that means that Jon is just a lazy bastard, never bought the theory he lost his voice completely. He can't sing pretty well on some random shows of their worst tour if the voice was lost forever...

[Thierry]

Originally Posted by symbeline

He didn't sound so solid in Cologne THROUGHOUT the show. He did sound great in many songs and it was a far superior show than this one, that's true. Haven't seen Milan or Stuttgart in their entirety, juts a few songs, but I also don't remember the consistency I heard in Prague.

I just found it very surprising and the first thing that came to mind was foul play. Proves how much I trust them lol

Glad to see it's the real deal. Now, that means that Jon is just a lazy bastard, never bought the theory he lost his voice completely. He can't sing pretty well on some random shows of their worst tour if the voice was lost forever...

Let me know if you want the shows on audio so you can compare. I'm happy to help out.

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by Thierry

Let me know if you want the shows on audio so you can compare. I'm happy to help out.

What do you mean to compare? Is it from a different source?

I usually get some audios from every tour but I wasn't losing sleep over this one, now you piqued my interest

What makes me curious (and a little bit suspicious) is how high the backing vocals are in the mix. Don't remember another show in 2013 having them so prominent, but like I said, I haven't seen enough full shows to be able to compare. I'll PM you tomorrow, I'm so tired I don't even see what I'm typing

Thanks for the help

[Thierry]

Originally Posted by symbeline

What do you mean to compare? Is it from a different source?

I usually get some audios from every tour but I wasn't losing sleep over this one, now you piqued my interest

What makes me curious (and a little bit suspicious) is how high the backing vocals are in the mix. Don't remember another show in 2013 having them so prominent, but like I said, I haven't seen enough full shows to be able to compare. I'll PM you tomorrow, I'm so tired I don't even see what I'm typing

Thanks for the help

I mean my audio recordings. I can put them online for you if you want to. Stuttgart is a really good one to start with. Love's the Only Rule from that show except for Phil butchering the solo.

[Nige]

I've not listened to this show/recording but rain/wet conditions are perfect for singers. The moisture really helps the vocal cords so this might explain why he sounded better than night that some of the others on the tour.

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by Nige

I've not listened to this show/recording but rain/wet conditions are perfect for singers. The moisture really helps the vocal cords so this might explain why he sounded better than night that some of the others on the tour.

Nah, Jon wants to sell out the desert. TWICE. And it's pretty dry out there. Maybe he meant the rainforest?

In all seriousness, seems a good explanation, but wouldn't then make more sense to play indoor venues if his voice is so dependant on the weather? It's not like he's selling out stadiums anymore, so that would be a wise choice, BUT most American shows are indoors, right? And he sounded like shit consistenly throughout the tour there. I still think it's something different they did in Prague, namely the backing vocals being louder, something special about that particular stadium's acoustics... the whole sound is fuller, richer, and much more easy on the ear. They should tear it down and bring it all over the world. A little bit heavy, but worth the effort

I hope it's not the rain/wet weather though or I'll be screwed lol. It seldom rains here, least in the summer when they usually tour Europe.

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by Thierry

I mean my audio recordings. I can put them online for you if you want to. Stuttgart is a really good one to start with. Love's the Only Rule from that show except for Phil butchering the solo.

Soooo, I saw the Milan show (only seen the encores before) under the same conditions (gotta be sure hehe) and I'd still say Prague is the best effort. Not the best show, though

I skipped lots of songs, anything post Bounce should be easy for him to sing. Absolutely no excuse for bad singing there, also don't like most of them anyway lol. But they sounded ok the few parts I listened.

The usual suspects were overall very decent but weaker than Prague.

• Bad Name ok
• RYH beginning was awful as always (please retire that song or I'll have to bring ear plugs) and the rest sounded weak on some parts and OK on others. Hit and miss, so.
• Runaway, BTBMB, IML, Sleep, Medicine were OK but a little bit slow, Jon was a step behind at parts, don't know if it was the norm in 2013 but I definitively noticed in 2015 and sometimes it's actually funny
• I LOVE Rocking All Over, but that wasn't their best version
• KTF and ITA just Ok, too much shouting the notes for my taste (that's what it sounds to me). Same with Dry County, a very very solid version (by 2013's standards lol) but lots of shouting, what's up with that?
• Most songs on the encores were in fact fairly decent, with a good Always (until almost the end) and good These Days and a truly epic TAALS. But Prague's was better vocal wise

Milan was a good show (thanks to the encores) and solid vocals. Crowd was way louder than Prague, which obviously helps, but Jon's voice was very prominent here. Overall was pretty decent but weaker than Prague, I still think it's because of the backing vocals. Should be high in every show. Period. Crowd doesn't cover for him like backing vocals do. I won't go trough Stuttgart (I trust your word on that) I'd say three whole shows from 2013 is more than enough

PS: The BWC moment was very sweet, don't care what the cynics in this board think (and I'm one of them lol)

ETA: I listened to individual YT videos for the Prague songs and they sound the same as the whole show, so again, it's the backing vocals. They do wonders.

[Johny]

Yeah, good memories from the second ever show from my hometown. Given we had no Richie and lot of rain, the setlist and the show itself made it up for me so the 5000CZK ticekts in Diamond Circle were worth it. And a little chat with Obie as well. He actually told me that there'll be something with the New Jersey demos. I didn't believe him and I was obviously wrong

It's important to say that this was the best part of the tour. Prague is an amazing city but no special to Bon Jovi as Munich or London are. So we gat really really lucky with the setlist.