Official September 19 2015, Stadium Merdeka, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia thread

efpg0708 · #21 09-19-2015, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

It is if the shows are shit. People seem to be eager to reach to the official numbers to validate how great the band (still) is to them. Fact is, the Keep The Faith tour sold a lot worse than 2013's Because We Can tour. Yet everyone agrees that the performances of the 1993 tour were better.

Numbers show amount of money made. Not the amount of tickets that were sold. There's a reason Bon Jovi have started playing other parts of the world; they've saturated the standard European and American markets and money needs to be made elsewhere.

It's why the propaganda machines always love to brag about the numbers. And apparantly there's fans silly enough to believe the hype the propaganda machine is creating. Last tour was the first tour which had Groupon deals because they couldn't sell enough tickets for a show. If that's not showing a decline in popularity, I don't know what is.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

There were half empty shows in Europe … Sao Paulo was around 75% full, whereas in 2010 it was a sellout. Even in 2010 they couldn't sell out the O2 during their residency. The shows are getting worse and worse.

And numbers alone don't make up an information. Take a look at the list of shows in 2013.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/li...-tours-of-2013

The Stones played 23 shows in 2013. Roger Waters played 27. Bon Jovi played 90. So, they had no competition. And there were half empty shows in Europe. There's no way they made 90 sellouts out of 90 shows. There has been a lot of discussion in the past of how Bon Jovi manipulate the numbers to consider it a sellout.

So yes, the band is declining. Really, anyone who denies this needs to have his head checked.

Supersonic · #22 09-19-2015, 09:23 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Chris_Newton

But wouldn't you concede that going on Groupon etc could also be contributed to the fact the world was and still is to some extent in an economic decline? Some fans simply probably couldn't afford to go the shows

No, because the Groupon deals were for the tickets costing 20-30 dollars a piece. They're the tickets usually sold to the fans attracted to the band by the new lead single or new album. Or those "who'd like to see what that band's about". Yet Bon Jovi haven't had a hit in a decade now, so no new fans are coming in either.

Now look at Jovitalk. I can safely say that anyone I know from the Crush era is no longer following the band like they used to. Or the Lost Highway era, even. They're going to 1 show and that's about it. So die hards are going faster than they're gaining them, hence the GoldCircle getting smaller and the General Admission tickets no longer selling out. Bon Jovi haven't sold out a European show since 2003. Yet all the numbers indicate that every show was sold out. Nonsense.

It's why the number 1 tour thing means nothing. Yes, they're still very popular, based upon performances and hitsingles from the past. They've got a strong legacy going for them. But once word gets out how shit Bon Jovi are nowadays, numbers will fade even more. In 1995, the show in Bangkok sold out in a few hours. In 2015, they sell 75% of the tickets in 3 days.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Old Joysey · #23 09-19-2015, 01:11 PM

Soundcheck IML
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hp...80107956_n.mp4
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Rdkopper · #24 09-19-2015, 02:17 PM

Past comparisons mean NOTHING... Times were different, the world was different, and Bon Jovi were different. They were a young, mainstream band twenty years ago when Rock and Roll music was actually played on the radio.

I don't understand what the mystery is all about? It's the same conversation every time.

There are 2 main factors. We have a declining front man and his missing right hand man...Of course it's not going to be the same as it was in 1995...

However, you have to write off the 2013 or put an * next to it... Jon just had to get through it. It was like putting a bandaid on a broken arm.

Now it's time to rebuild and I think Jon is using such time with the Burning Bridges album and promo tour to do so...

What people forget to realize is, Phil doesn't know every F ING song like the rest of the band does so Jon is limited. Plus during 2013 there was an uncertainty regarding Richie's return. It became more and more apparent as the days went on but Jon just can't turn to Phil and say, go memorize our entire catalog...

IMO, the tour is getting better with each show. It's not their best but it's not horrible either. Everyone around here is acting like 2008 through 2012 was so great but it was the same bitching because half the board was comparing it to 1995 and the other half was comparing it to the Crush, Bounce, and HAND tour... Watch, when Jon has no voice in 6 years and is doing acoustic only shows, everyone will point back to the 2015 tour like it was monumental...

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Chris_Newton · #25 09-19-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Past comparisons mean NOTHING... Times were different, the world was different, and Bon Jovi were different. They were a young, mainstream band twenty years ago when Rock and Roll music was actually played on the radio.

I don't understand what the mystery is all about? It's the same conversation every time.

There are 2 main factors. We have a declining front man and his missing right hand man...Of course it's not going to be the same as it was in 1995...

However, you have to write off the 2013 or put an * next to it... Jon just had to get through it. It was like putting a bandaid on a broken arm.

Now it's time to rebuild and I think Jon is using such time with the Burning Bridges album and promo tour to do so...

What people forget to realize is, Phil doesn't know every F ING song like the rest of the band does so Jon is limited. Plus during 2013 there was an uncertainty regarding Richie's return. It became more and more apparent as the days went on but Jon just can't turn to Phil and say, go memorize our entire catalog...

IMO, the tour is getting better with each show. It's not their best but it's not horrible either. Everyone around here is acting like 2008 through 2012 was so great but it was the same bitching because half the board was comparing it to 1995 and the other half was comparing it to the Crush, Bounce, and HAND tour... Watch, when Jon has no voice in 6 years and is doing acoustic only shows, everyone will point back to the 2015 tour like it was monumental...

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I agree.. I don't think the band sounds that bad, and when your actually at the show I always love every minute. I really hope they tour Europe next year. I love all that a Jovi concert brings, the build up, the atmosphere it's all part of it.

Chris_Newton · #26 09-19-2015, 03:04 PM

What time does this start?

Old Joysey · #27 09-19-2015, 03:15 PM

When the band hits the stage!

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philx1111 hello reflection in a kickdrum head at sound check.

united17 · #28 09-19-2015, 03:23 PM

Should be in 6 mins, they were like 15mins late in Bangkok though. I couldn't make this show. There'll be an empty spot in the 3rd row

Old Joysey · #29 09-19-2015, 03:36 PM

Useful link:
https://twitter.com/TuneTalk/with_replies

rocknation · #30 09-19-2015, 03:44 PM

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