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I'm quite sure Jon CAN handle the song "In These Arms" like before if he wanted to, but that does put more strain on your voice. It's just to make it easier, not that he can't sing like that anymore.
If he wanted to I'm sure he could yes - just as he could sing high parts in Prayer if he wanted...

the point is he obviously doesn't try - it's not that he can't do it!

Singing isn't meant to be easy - he's a rock singer... if he can't sing the song I don't want to hear a half-assed version, it just shouldn't be played at all... it's a good song, but the only thing that makes it good is the power in jon's voice because musically it's not their greatest work...
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There's no point doing In These Arms when they do it as poorly as they did on the 2001 tour - even at MK which was a great show... it was just like a karaoke song... jon sang everything within the same range of about 1 octave, backed out of everything...
Yes there's a point. Because I want to hear it
I know they tuned WAAAAAAY down for that song coz Jon just can't handle it, but I still wanna hear it live.
It's not even that the band tuned way down for the song. It's that Jon still couldn't get the notes with respect to the key they were playing in. It's annoying because you know he is good enough still to do it - but he's just not bothering to try anymore...

at least on the new stuff such as undivided he sings with the same vigour and power that he does on the original recording...

from what i remember of In These Arms at Huddersfield Jon may as well have just been "speaking" the lyrics over the music...
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Blood On Blood has not been played electric in years. It's a welcome return.....even so..the acoustic intro version wasn't played that much on the Crush/One Wild Night tours.
they played the electric at Shepherds Bush.
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i know - someone else said that and i was quoting them

the fact remains it was a very uninventive setlist - hopefully that will change after a show or two...
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That set list is garbage!!! Captain crash sucked 2 years ago, the song still sucks now. Why do they insist on playing that song live? Also, why bother with covers? Way too predictable of a set .
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Blood On Blood has not been played electric in years. It's a welcome return.....even so..the acoustic intro version wasn't played that much on the Crush/One Wild Night tours.
they played the electric at Shepherds Bush.
That's how I know they are playing the electric version now.
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Blood On Blood has not been played electric in years. It's a welcome return.....even so..the acoustic intro version wasn't played that much on the Crush/One Wild Night tours.
they played the electric at Shepherds Bush.
That's how I know they are playing the electric version now.
But they played the acoustic intro version in Osaka last month.
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unfortunately though 1 song doesn't make a setlist good whether it is electric or acoustic...

in fact 10 good songs don't either in a set of aobut 23... MK 2001 showed that even an uninventive setlist can be 10 times better if the songs are in an order where they compliment one another...

i can think of about 11 songs from that set to scrap
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1. Bounce
2. You Give Love a Bad Name
3. Everyday
4. Blood on Blood
5. Livin' on a Prayer
6. Undivided
7. Runaway
8. Just Older
9. In These Arms
10. Heroes (David Bowie cover)
11. Misunderstood
12. Joey
13. I'll Be There for You (Richie on vocals )
14. Hook Me Up
15. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
16. Captain Crash and the Beauty Queen from Mars
17. Sleep When I'm Dead
18. Born to Be my Baby

Encores:
1. It's my Life
2. Wanted Dead or Alive
3. Bad Medicine
4. Shout
5. Twist and Shout

Edited Version with songs that really need to go:



1. Bounce
2. You Give Love a Bad Name
3. Everyday
4. Blood on Blood
5. Livin' on a Prayer
6. Undivided
7. Runaway
8. Just Older
9. In These Arms
11. Misunderstood
12. Joey
13. I'll Be There for You (Richie on vocals )
14. Hook Me Up

16. Captain Crash and the Beauty Queen from Mars
18. Born to Be my Baby

Encores:
1. It's my Life
2. Wanted Dead or Alive
3. Bad Medicine (abbreviate this mofo ala Yokohama 1996 and do it early to get it done with..thank you)


Yeah I know...some of u think Captain Crash needs to go....but in the scheme of things..its really not that bad and its not over played relatively. It's only in it's sophomore outing. So I left it. Though I think it could be better replaced by Two Story Town or Next 100 Years.

The covers need to stop...their catalog is too vast to waste valuable time anymore doing covers. Sleep When I'm Dead has long out lived it's live slot. Ditto for Saturday Night.
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I'm sorry but i'm not going to pretend to like it - it is VERY disappointing...

just as we thought they'd stamped out the bad old habits in the setlist after the last 2 or 3 Japanese electric shows we now get THIS...

don't get me started on captain crash!

but seriously this is a backwards setlist and it resembles too much the 2001 tour YET AGAIN!

the end of the Japanese tour should have been a building point for the rest of the tour...
I totally agree. If they came up with such a setlist here in Germany I'd be more than disappointed. Let's hope for a lot of improvement!!!

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