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Old 09-18-2013, 06:59 PM
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Hasn´t he also said a few times he hates people leaving on those songs because often they are among his personal favourites?
Jon has said a lot of things.
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Hasn´t he also said a few times he hates people leaving on those songs because often they are among his personal favourites?
When Richie does a song, is it done to give Richie the spotlight or to give Jon a break? The answer is both. They just coincide together. Same with this statement below.

I'm sure Jon would love to keep each audience member in that place indulged the entire time but the reality is, people need to go to the restroom and grab a drink (water, soda, beer, or whatever). The stadium wants that and Jon might even get a percentage off of that too. There is a point in the show where he'll break it down to give people that break. This is usually where Jon will fulfill his own artistic pleasures. Some new songs, non-hits, Hallelujah, etc. We as die-hards love it but the rest of the place don't. They want the hits.

Back to merchandising. How do you think bands make money during warp tours and things like that? You think 50 bucks a ticket is going to cover 10 bands? No, they need to sell their shit.

There is a bunch of stuff on the internet that explains all this stuff. It's very interesting if you are into all that type of information.
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Back to merchandising. How do you think bands make money during warp tours and things like that? You think 50 bucks a ticket is going to cover 10 bands? No, they need to sell their shit.

There is a bunch of stuff on the internet that explains all this stuff. It's very interesting if you are into all that type of information.
I suggest you giving the articles another read then, considering how pretty much all of what you came up with regarding Bon Jovi playing shit songs to sell T-shirts is nonsense. It's not really news to me though, whenever you post a theory I can't help but share the same sentimant Wrath comes up with; you're either trolling very hard and failing even harder, or are just the stereotypical retarded American Jovitalk was free of for quite some time now.

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Back to merchandising. How do you think bands make money during warp tours and things like that? You think 50 bucks a ticket is going to cover 10 bands? No, they need to sell their shit.

There is a bunch of stuff on the internet that explains all this stuff. It's very interesting if you are into all that type of information.
Your comparing Warped Tour with a Bon Jovi tour and it's not the same thing. Again, I'm not negating the fact that Merch is an added income. I'm disagreeing with your theory that the band makes little on ticket sales and needs to rely on bathroom breaks to pay the bills. The amount of merchandise they sell pre and post show, why would they sabotage their own shows to make the money?
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Your comparing Warped Tour with a Bon Jovi tour and it's not the same thing. Again, I'm not negating the fact that Merch is an added income. I'm disagreeing with your theory that the band makes little on ticket sales and needs to rely on bathroom breaks to pay the bills. The amount of merchandise they sell pre and post show, why would they sabotage their own shows to make the money?
That's not even remotely close to what I said.

Jon playing an artistic satisfying song and sabotaging a show are not even in the same ballpark.

In summary, there is a half way point where Jon will sing a song or 2 like Hallelujah or When We Were Beautiful, knowing the audience will walk out. He is not naïve to it or else he wouldn't do it. It's done to give people a break and calm the show down so when he breaks into the next hit, the people will be re-amped. During that time people go to the concessions. It's unintentionally / intentionally done. Most bands do this.
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I suggest you giving the articles another read then, considering how pretty much all of what you came up with regarding Bon Jovi playing shit songs to sell T-shirts is nonsense. It's not really news to me though, whenever you post a theory I can't help but share the same sentimant Wrath comes up with; you're either trolling very hard and failing even harder, or are just the stereotypical retarded American Jovitalk was free of for quite some time now.

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You are the biggest Troll on this board who has nothing better to do but find the negativity in everything to bring people down. You are jealous of Americans and nothing but a disgrace.

You have no sense of business and do not live in a true reality. All you have to offer is your live music knowledge, mostly from the 90's and when it comes to anything outside of that, you act like a Troll.

That sums you up 4 sentences....
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That's not even remotely close to what I said.

Jon playing an artistic satisfying song and sabotaging a show are not even in the same ballpark.

In summary, there is a half way point where Jon will sing a song or 2 like Hallelujah or When We Were Beautiful, knowing the audience will walk out. He is not naïve to it or else he wouldn't do it. It's done to give people a break and calm the show down so when he breaks into the next hit, the people will be re-amped. During that time people go to the concessions. It's unintentionally / intentionally done. Most bands do this.
But if he's playing a song to give people a chance to leave and get some merch and then come back he's forced to build them back up again. It disrupts the flow of the show and he has to work ten times as hard to get them energized again. I just don't think he's doing it for those reasons, I believe he just genuinely loves the songs.

Are you saying you've heard other bands say they've done this or you've noticed them do it, because those are two different things.
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But if he's playing a song to give people a chance to leave and get some merch and then come back he's forced to build them back up again. It disrupts the flow of the show and he has to work ten times as hard to get them energized again. I just don't think he's doing it for those reasons, I believe he just genuinely loves the songs.

Are you saying you've heard other bands say they've done this or you've noticed them do it, because those are two different things.
No. It's not to that extreme. People aren't driving home and coming back an hour later. People are still in the show and are going to go do their thing anyway but Jon gives them the out by breaking into a more personal satisfying song to him and not the audience.

This is just common knowledge that I've known for a while. Not sure where. I've been following a ton of bands as far back as I could remember, 25 years.

I found this on another site... It's someone describing a Metallica setlist. Look at the part I bolded in red. It's at that same point Jon breaks into his.

-Good beginner song based off albums
-Newer songs
-Older songs
-Slower or heavy songs
-Longer songs in middle of set
-A handful of singles with maybe some lesser known songs thrown in
-More well known covers
-End with something powerful that will make a memorable encore or ending song.
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No. It's not to that extreme. People aren't driving home and coming back an hour later. People are still in the show and are going to go do their thing anyway but Jon gives them the out by breaking into a more personal satisfying song to him and not the audience.

This is just common knowledge that I've known for a while. Not sure where. I've been following a ton of bands as far back as I could remember, 25 years.

I found this on another site... It's someone describing a Metallica setlist. Look at the part I bolded in red. It's at that same point Jon breaks into his.

-Good beginner song based off albums
-Newer songs
-Older songs
-Slower or heavy songs
-Longer songs in middle of set
-A handful of singles with maybe some lesser known songs thrown in
-More well known covers
-End with something powerful that will make a memorable encore or ending song.
You're talking about a setlist structure, but the reason a set is structured a certain way is not to give a piss-break or beer break or whatever. It's not a theatre play where they have an interval (except the encore breaks and that video montage) it's more about the flow of the show. The big problem anyone's had with Jovi sets recently is that the structure has remained static.

You may take the slow song section as an indication that it's a beer break but that just says more about your mentality than anything else, but it is the same mentality that has meant very bland US shows over the years because you're clearly not the only one who thinks that way.
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You're talking about a setlist structure, but the reason a set is structured a certain way is not to give a piss-break or beer break or whatever. It's not a theatre play where they have an interval (except the encore breaks and that video montage) it's more about the flow of the show. The big problem anyone's had with Jovi sets recently is that the structure has remained static.

You may take the slow song section as an indication that it's a beer break but that just says more about your mentality than anything else, but it is the same mentality that has meant very bland US shows over the years because you're clearly not the only one who thinks that way.
Pay attention going forward and then we'll revisit this topic in a few years.
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