Refunds for this leg

I'm considering appealing for a refund on my Hyde Park ticket.......

Why?
Your meant to support a favourite band through good and bad times -
Plus Richie will be back by then

I semi agree with the supporting through good and bad. But since we don't know what's actually happening and only what tmz tells us we get to make our own reasoning. I'm sure the reason they havnt told us is because its a bunch of bull and a considerable number of people would want their money back if we knew what was really happening. Which makes it more likely that it really is something very petty. If my favorite band is feuding over a bunch of nonsense and then continues to preach brotherhood ect ect I'd want my money back, wouldn't you? We're just getting played at that point.

Aloha !

If this band would actually have supported its fans through good and bad times I'd say yeah, you're right. Considering how Jon has made a business out of screwing over (North) American fans I'd say it's only fair to demand a refund and stop supporting an act that never showed any sympathy for its audience in the first place.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Plus David was missing for a positive reason where everyone was happy for and proud of him.

Apart from Richie not be there which is Richie screwing over the Northern American fans, how has Jon screwed over the fans? Not a snarky question but honestly I'm wondering if other stuff has happened.

Aloha !

Just compare the "homecoming" shows from New Jersey 2010 to any regular show in Europe. A standard European setlist is the wet dream for an American die hard, which kinda says it all. And then there's the show lenght as well. I think it's been quite obvious how show-wise America always gets the short-end of the stick. As much as I like to take the piss out of American fans I don't think die hards over there deserve the shows they're actually getting. Jon is on auto pilot for pretty much 90% of any American leg. Oh, and let's not forget Richie's stint at rehab in 2011 which was carefully planned just so he could be back for the European shows.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Sure you can look at it from that perspective but his cantering to the audience. What were hits in America and what were hits in Europe in terms of album sales and likewise. Besides just because you might hate the setlist or 20 other people on this message board, doesn't mean that 10,000 other people hate the setlist. So his not screwing over the audience.

Aloha !

It's an excuse people use, but the thing is if this were true and setlists were catered towards what sold well in America they'd look quite different as opposed to what's being offered right now. Yes, Lost Highway was a big seller, but offering 5 songs of that record and 4 of Slippery is kind of missing the point. These Days did better than The Circle, yet American fans are being punished with Born To Follow every night yet This Ain't A Love Song hasn't been played over there in over 15 years now.

There's no excuse to keep on playing Born To Be My Baby every single night when everyone knows Lay Your Hands On Me just as well. Why play Sleep every night when it was never a hit, yet refuse to play In & Out Of Love, which was a bigger hit? It's all coming down to Jon playing what Jon wants to play. He just doesn't get away with it in Europe the way he does in America.

And even so, would it hurt the show that much to just throw in one rare song to please an American die hard? Sure, Something For The Pain was a nice gesture, but the first song that had to go when setlists were mixed up was...exactly. Something For The Pain. Keep the dull, acoustic rendition of Sat. Night in there, but leave out the song that was the bigger hit out of the two.

Jon doesn't cater an American audience. In America, Jon caters mostly himself and what's easiest to perform. He's lucky the average Joe doesn't pick up on it, but for die hards an American Bon Jovi show is predictable and boring from start to finish. I had a good time at the shows at East Rutherford, but I could predict the setlists of the first 2 shows from start to finish simply by looking at what had been played at other cities before. I then went to see 7 shows in Europe and 5 of them contained plenty of surprises. And I can assure you, although I Believe was released as a single here it was never a hit. Yet I've heard it 4 times now in 3 years. There's no way such a song wouldn't work in America and considering how many American fans I've met by now who do travel, I feel they're all being short-changed night after night after night.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I wouldn't really call it a wet dream for american die hards..there are a few select shows over seas that had some great sets closer to the end of the tour last tour, but the majority of the sets are the same. You can blow it out of proportion all you want, but it's not that drastic. Europe normally gets a showing of these days and or hey god sometimes but that's because it was a better seller there. So essentially Jon is screwing over all the over seas shows by playing what was most popular there too?