Richie/Orianthi Appearances

I spoke of her lacking "feel" and "commitment." You spoke of her lacking "style" and "personality." I think yours is a much better way of looking it because it encompasses feel, commitment, and skill -- plus a dash of artistic integrity.

My point? Well, I hope I can make it by "misquoting" this guitarist:
Now, THAT'S "guitar personality" -- that's what Orianthi lacks, and tries to replace with her looks. When you have skill, feel, commitment, and the ability to think outside of the pentatonic scale, you can tell even top-ranked producers and singers that their songs have room for improvement -- even if you're outside of your musical genre!

If you didn't guess, that's Eddie Van Halen talking about his recording the solo for Michael Jackson's Beat It thirty years ago -- I didn't want any names to get in the way of the story. Equally important, I didn't want any genders to get in the way, either.

As you also pointed out, Jennifer Batten managed to earn the respect of her fellow male guitar heroes, so it's certainly not impossible. But that's where the integrity part comes in: Orianthi in danger of becoming "a girl with a reputation," especially now that she's nearly thirty years old and romantically connected to a peer nearly thirty years older. People might start concluding that she keeps her career afloat by "playing" with her male mentors and colleagues in other ways...

Aloha !

Right, so, mods, time for a ban I think? This is another topic full of irrelevant facts, examples and sidetracks that keep this discussion going while going off topic all the ****ing time. Rolo's replies make more sense than this garbage. Just get rid of this shit, it takes all the fun out of trying to find a way in to actually discuss music over here.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Wrong. Again. Always.
Oh wait a minute, I got it! "Miss Quote" is your real name and your favorite game is altering people's posts to suit what you want to say next.

Ori doesn't have a distinctive sound and style that you can recognize in a blind test, that's all I'm saying. I've never said she lacked "feel" and "commitment" (I don't even know what you mean by "commitment" in that context!). It's neither a reproach or an insult, just a true fact.


and the relationship with what I wrote is???

Mea culpa -- "guitar personality" was my idea, though it was inspired by yours. That's why I changed it while you were posting!

Yeah, sure, why not?!
To me, talking about Ori's music, skills and career is not irrelevant since she's the co-writer/musician/singer/producer on Richie's next album. But if YOU say it's irrelevant and blahblahblah, it surely is.

Aloha !

Well, good. You think she's not relevant, and you think I think she's irrelevant. Seems we both agree there.

But I reckon that's not what you meant, and I'm sorry you took offense because I wasn't talking about your way of discussing things. It's the other party that brings in all sorts of random information that's irrelevant to the topic itself. It's how every debate is handled by her and it's annoying. It leaves no room for discussion because as soon as you're making a point the topic drifts into another random direction.

The discussion and/or conversation by itself isn't irrelevant, but the pissing match is.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

@QUceK1WV8: I'm not wasting any more time and board space with someone who behaves like a troll and insists on making me say/write things I didn't. Rocknation does it already and she does it better than you. The difference with you is that she has the decency and honesty to admit she does it.

OK, thank you for the explanation, my bad I took it bad, I've become very touchy lately, who knows why?!

errr... no, I didn't hit the keys hard enough, I meant to write "irrelevant" (I edited my post).
Now if Ori could stay away from Richie's next album, I'd be delighted of course!

You make the calls for yourself obviously so fair enough, really.

Needless to say that I disagree about your view about me trolling. As for putting words into your mouth, that is what I felt about your post, so I guess we're even steven.

To whom it may concern -that is people who are interested in knowing Ori's musical past. Just facts, nothing but facts.

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guita...nagaris-211781

http://www.mtv.com/artists/orianthi/biography/

What her current employer has to say about her:
http://quarternote-music.com/instrum...ul-reed-smith/

Unlike Richie's, her name always appears in the "best guitarists ever" kind of lists -now it's always about female guitarists, so it's heavily biased and sexist.
http://mic.com/articles/20106/9-fema...-blow-you-away

http://passyworldofict.blogspot.fr/2...tar-great.html

Everywhere you turn, she's called "guitar great, guitar prodigy, guitar virtuoso, guitar goddess" and all the other laudatory synonyms you can think of. The same words have been used for Vai, Satch, Santana, EVH, etc. when they became famous. I'm not the one who started making comparisons, it's in the way of things, period. Every famous guitarist that tried to launch Ori's career and every magazine that ever wrote about her put her in "that elite category". Too bad for her not so many record buyers and concert goers share their POVs. I'm not putting her down, I'm just noticing that her records and shows don't sell much despite all the publicity made by gtr gods. I can -and did say- the same about Richie BTW, what "solo career"? (Yet I love Richie, warts and all. ). Just the hard cold truth, not my opinion.

NB & for the record: I have never used the words "good, better, bad, worse" because music is not a competition, it's not about "who's best?" but "who do you like?". As far as I'm concerned I don't give a damn about lists but I do compare styles and skills of course. Whoever says he doesn't is a liar. Let's talk about the recent BJ tour for example: why so many JTers commented about Matt O'Ree's playing and Bobby's if not to compare their different styles and say whether they like it or not?

PS : and calling her "a farm girl that lived her dream and became a pretty decent guitar player" is very insulting and degrading -even though she calls herself "the queen of fowl". And I would be the one who puts her down? someone's gotta be kidding!!!