Richie/Orianthi Appearances

Your sentence wasn't clear that she sold two million copies of a single rather than at least three million copies of an album -- we professional types tend to notice that sort of thing. Pointing out that it wouldn't have happened without her association with Jackson seemed redundant!

Ironic world, too -- why did a guitarist in her own right need help from ANYONE, let a alone a then D-lister like Phil? Oh, that's right -- it WASN'T a rock guitar album...

Well, this I didn't know. As Becky once said, it all comes out on wash day!

HELL, YES -- There's a BIG difference between being able to play the blues and being able to improvise on the pentatonic scale! For the clairity of that sentence, I salute you!

Speaking of different genres, here's Ori getting funky. I'd scold her for faking the rhythm guitar licks, but there weren't any. She even fakes playing the solo!


I love the smell of vindication in the morning.

And this was when Richie was still in the band!

This is all much easier to understand if you happen to know that her roots are in blues.

Many songs on the album were largely done guitars and all, and it was just waiting for a female lead vocalist. Ori happened to be a guitarist too, so they pasted some solos all over the place. The fact that Phil X let it "slip" that he played on it after the fact she started appearing on guitar magazine covers really mostly speaks of his character rather than anything else.

Well, her roots are in blues, so calm down.

Comparing Ori to Vai or to a lesser extend Satriani etc. is just a bit meh since I don't think many will be making the comparison other than to put her down. Batten whom I happen to be a fan of and actually first learned of Ori through her post somewhere years and years ago - is obvioulsy a great player too although she is not Vai either. Not many people are.

The whole thing is just sad, like I wrote earlier. But let's not get carried away with the Ori hate, please. She is a farm girl that lived her dream and became pretty decent guitar player and before all this Richie saga no bad word was ever said of her. Now suddenly it seems all the Jovi fans just hate on her for one reason or another.

For the record, I was just making a parallel between their solo careers, I just wanted to point out the fact that she, unlike Richie, had some commercial success in the past, whatever the numbers are since each country has their own criteria for certification and who cares? JT is not a professional board and Google is everybody's friend! My sentence was perfectly clear, TY, but you didn't like it because, unlike you, I'm not interested in numbers (=details) but in the results/consequences. Can't we have different POVs?

And FYI, in Australia, unlike in the USA, they make no difference between singles and albums and the numbers for certification are different from American's, so your additional info was incomplete and biased whereas my perfectly clear sentence stated true facts.
http://www.aria.com.au/pages/aria-ch...editations.htm

+ I underlined the fact that her sudden success was mostly due to circumstances + her record company's support, a thing Richie never had.
Yet, although Ori has a more successful solo career and more internet followers than Richie, she's almost anonymous whereas Richie's a rockstar (not due to his solo career, of course!). So when some Ori fans claim that she threw her career down the gutter when she teamed up with Richie, I feel like asking, "what career?". I'm curious to see how their PR agent will sell them to the public next year.


What wash day? This is ridiculous, it's her biography, that's all. I only reported her speech, ask Google and YT to hear her say what I transcribed. Last year, when Richie said he was working on an album with her, I did my homework and listened to her music and interviews to have an idea... and I discovered I had heard about her before: my friends and I had nicknamed her "Michael's new Jenny" when "This Is It" was released but then I (we) totally forgot about her! Cruel world!

For your misquoting me again, I don't salute you. Oh shucks!
MY sentence was perfectly clear, thank you. Are you RDK's clone?
http://www2.gsu.edu/~eslhpb/grammar/.../relative.html

You're being too modest -- whether you meant to or not, you've made a subtle but very important point about Richie's latest girlfriend that not even I dared to.

Wrong. She said she learned classical music first and during several years, so her roots are classical music, not the blues. She said she learned the blues later and loves it but, technically and chronologically, it means that her roots are NOT blues music.

What are you talking about??? I am talking about the fact that she's a session musician, a sidekick, Richie himself always said so, it's not an insult, it's just a true fact. And as a session musician, she played for many different artists. Idk if Phil X ever mentioned her, I only know that he's credited on her album. True fact again, nothing but true facts.

YOU, calm down and check your facts, please.

Where on earth did you see me putting her down??? All I did was going through her biography, can't you stand the truth?
Check my previous posts, I've always supported her despite the fact that I don't like her voice and singing style.

Every new guitar "virtuoso" is compared to Vai & Satch, like these 2 were compared to Van Halen in the 80s when they became famous. FYI, Batten herself was compared to Vai in the 80s in case you weren't around at that time or never saw the gtr magazines. Comparing newcomers to established musicians is only human, it doesn't necessarily means to put the newcomers down.
And comparing Ori to Vai & Satch is relevant and logical since she played with them, was Vai's protégée when she was younger and even wrote an instrumental song for Steve. Hence saying that she didn't try to emulate them would be ridiculous.

Now, if you want to talk about putting her down, she does it herself to herself, she doesn't need BJ fans!



"a very important" what?

Subtle but very important point, LOL! My bad -- and typo!

LOL! And that POINT would be?

Duh. She was under ten at the time of classical. Either way, classical roots would do no more to explain the lack of shredding before MJ than blues roots would. But carry on ranting if you must.

She produced her first album before playing too much of this sidekicking business. As for my point about Phil X - just the facts as well. Phil X played on the album, but it was not an Orianthi album at the time. So yeah he did let it "slip" in an interview.

I am calm and I have facts.

I read you putting her down all through your post. If you didn't my bad. After rereading it I still see it, but if you say that's not the case I believe you and concede I simply do not understand your post.

I was around back in the day and EVH was not the golden standard those days either. But that's beside the point. The point is comparing players to the real revolutionaries is almost always pointless and the rare exception is a player that is thought of maybe being the next in that line. I don't think anyone ever has thought of Ori being one - so comparing her to Vai or such is just a method to put her down. The same thing can be done to all other guitar players apart from that elite category. And therein lie the discussions of who is the best ever and who should be higher in this or that TOP-100 and all that nonsense and let me repeat that for emphasis: Nonsense.

What is the relevance of any of this, here?

Her style is far from his, and she even wears her instrument in a way that she wouldn't get her hands around to manage Vai's licks even if she tried. What is "ridiculous" is getting a measuring stick like Steve Vai out for her to measure up to since there are very few who will.

And I know all of that as well. All about her opening for Vai when she was just starting to the Song for Steve. What is the relevance if not just point out that she is not as good as Steve Vai? Like that needs pointing out for any other reason than to put her down.

That is not really too great but she has done worse on camera too. However as far as this conversation goes I guess this is where I am getting the wrong impression about you just putting her down.

She does better here