Rumor or reality? Cancellation rumor

rocknation · #31 09-09-2015, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey

I very much doubt that "Chinese music-industry watchers" and the Communist party's Culture Ministry bother to check an ex-band member's GF social media outlets.

Well, surely it IS their job to check on Bon Jovi's official web site where they would have found the lyrics and videos -- unlike an ex-band member's GF social media, they aren't buried somewhere. And if they'd done that much, as I said, Bon Jovi never would have gotten the gig.

Richie was in the band when the videos were done. And it doesn't matter who posted the photos -- it matters that they show him in Tibet with his palms together and looking happy. For the Chinese government, that MORE than qualifies as "tweeting about their spiritual leader!"

What a day -- it starts with this terrible news. But at least I won't be lying awake tonight wondering why Jon was accused of making statements in social media in support of Tibet!

ezearis · #32 09-09-2015, 06:21 AM

So basically the tour hasn't even started and we already have two cancelled shows and one replaced member. Nice.

Adam D · #33 09-09-2015, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky

Jon said a long time ago that he wouldn't make political statements from the stage and I took him at his word.

Would you feel the same way if he had pictures of George W. Bush behind him? Or do you just feel like he should be able to have the President's face because you agree with his viewpoint?

If your goal is to "appeal to the masses" which has ALWAYS been his goal, you stay politically neutral while you're on stage. And your audience is going to be 50/50 in the USA because we're that divided.

PS: I pretty much despise them all equally, so it's not about being Democrat or Republican, it's about respecting me enough to NOT tell me how to think politically. I'm not paying you $300 to tell me how to vote.

It's not about me personally. Jon has Obama and other democratic leaders there because that's the viewpoint he agrees with.

He's also not telling anyone HOW to vote. There's a difference between having the President behind him for two seconds on a screen and taking the stage and actually telling the crowd to vote Democrat.

If Jon was a Republican and had Bush behind him on a screen for two seconds, I certainly wouldn't see it as him telling me how to vote.

FLAME-XIII · #34 09-09-2015, 10:29 AM

nothing surprising! Check Linkin Park show in China 2015 on youtube, there is no words "f***", the band censored all their lyrics for this show and dropped some regular songs.

DevilsSon · #35 09-09-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis

So basically the tour hasn't even started and we already have two cancelled shows and one replaced member. Nice.

Who is the replaced member?

Jovimimi · #36 09-09-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon

Who is the replaced member?

Bobby - who is not really a member anyway (replaced for good or not I don't know) by Matt O'Ree (guitarist who has his own band too like Bobby does- both New Jersey local bands)

DevilsSon · #37 09-09-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jovimimi

Bobby - who is not really a member anyway (replaced for good or not I don't know) by Matt O'Ree (guitarist who has his own band too like Bobby does- both New Jersey local bands)

WHAT? Bobby is out and there isn't a celebration topic??? Pffffff.......

Old Joysey · #38 09-09-2015, 02:36 PM

Methinks you're making a lot of fuss about nothing.

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Originally Posted by rocknation

Well, that's their job, isn't it?

I don't think so. Their job is to clear the bands that are scheduled to play China, not ex-band members and their entourage.

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And if they HAD done it properly, as I said, Bon Jovi never would have gotten the gig.

I said it first!

In the post that you quoted.
http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/bo...238/page2.html

The problem comes from a video:

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The Financial Times newspaper reported that the shows had been called off because the Culture Ministry had discovered that the band once included a picture of the Dalai Lama in a video backdrop during a concert in Taiwan in 2010, citing people familiar with the matter.

Jon is the leader of the pack, he's responsible for the videos and stage appearance, not Richie or Tico or Hugh.

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And it doesn't matter who posted the photos -- it matters that they show him in Tibet with his palms together and looking happy. For the Chinese government, that MORE than qualifies as "tweeting about their spiritual leader!"

I don't think so, they're not retards and your explanation is far-fetched. If they saw Ori's pic (and I'm sure they didn't) they realized Richie was not in Tibet and when you're Catholic you put your palms together to pray as well, it's not a Buddhism-only gesture. The tea package was more controversial but Richie's not holding it and, I'll repeat, Richie didn't post it on his own FB page.

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What a day -- it starts with this terrible news. But at least I won't be lying awake tonight wondering why Jon was accused of making statements in support of Tibet!

Speculations, not accusations. Comments, not statements. The Dalai Lama, not Tibet.
Don't you ever read the articles you quote?!

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In online discussions, some Chinese music-industry watchers speculated that the latest cancellation was linked to unspecified recent comments by Mr. Bon Jovi on the spiritual leader.

VickiJovi_Mummy*LR* · #39 09-09-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam D

Jon should be able to show and talk about whatever he wants from his stage. If he wants to put the President"s face on the screens during every song, it's his prerogative.

If anyone is offended by the images, it's really the individual's problem. The songs are universal enough to be taken however you choose.

This is just the kind of stuff communist governments do. Jon should in no way, change how he goes about doing what he does because of this.

Agreed

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Old Joysey · #40 09-09-2015, 03:51 PM

The BBC article and a couple more also read:

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Announcing the Bon Jovi shows earlier this year, frontman Jon Bon Jovi had said he was "excited" to be performing in Beijing for the first time ever.

In a recent interview with Chinese state media he described the band's music as being about "individual freedom and expression".

This declaration might have been what made the government suspicious about the band and what triggered a thorough examination of their videos.

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The government forbids artists performing content that "harms national unity" and vets set-lists and lyrics before approving concerts, as well as the artists themselves to ensure no objectionable connections, such as to human rights groups.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0R90U520150909

PS: or they listened to Burning Bridges (the song)!

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