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Old 09-26-2018, 01:53 PM
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Thanks for that. Not sure it's true of pre-2009 JBJ though!
It's total BS and would and could only apply to <= 1984/85 JBJ, if at all. JBJ in the later 80s and especially 90s was totally able to hit countless different notes (I'm too lazy to count or think about how many notes there are in an octave right now and how many his stellar voice could cover back then).

But coming back to Jackie: I didn't notice that many off-pitch notes, to be honest. Yes, there were some, but IML especially sounded quite good, even on the higher parts. Or did you mean the verses?
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Old 09-26-2018, 03:18 PM
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The part about Phil x is spot on. He only played 4 or 5 solos on THINFS and seemingly had no input into the guitar parts on the album - which is staggering considering how good he is and how much Jbj said he saved the band.
The same thing will happen with the new album. It will be 12 average songs, with short solos in 3/4 of them and none in the rest . With Phil X on-board Bon Jovi should be making a guitar orientated rock album not the utter dirge THINFS was.

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I remember Phil in an interview saying that it wasn't until very late in the process that the decision was made to have Phil be part of the record and then later have him and Hugh be part of the album artwork and on official photos making them "official members" I guess. But THINFS was pretty much a done record by the time Phil got involved. I wish I could remember the exact interview but he mentioned how Jon picked 4 songs he thought could use more guitar and he laid them down in a day or so.

That looks to change, Phil will be more present in the studio laying down guitar parts but the writing will still be JBJ and Shanks...

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Old 09-26-2018, 05:18 PM
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Each to their own of course. But hand on heart I wouldn’t attend a Runway Tours gig if it was free and in my back garden.

This version of JBJ is just diluting his legacy in my eyes. He’s old, boring and sounds terrible.

If you enjoy it, great. Neither of us are right or wrong. It’s just our opinions.

Jon’s last chance of redemption is Phil X and sadly, I think he’s letting that ship sail.

Phil IS energy. He’s fun, enthusiastic and can play hard. He sings well. He should be pushing Jon yet I get the feeling he’s on a tighter leash than Richie ever was. (I’m referring to letting rip, not a say in how the band is run)





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What in God's name makes Jon even consider playing Who Says, It's My Life, Lost Highway and Bad Name at these events? Fans pay otrageous numbers to attend these shows. THESE are the shows he should bang out some obscure tracks from Crush, Bounce, some rare DA material and Box Set tracks. I would have been offended if I payed this much and got this set list.
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Each to their own of course. But hand on heart I wouldn’t attend a Runway Tours gig if it was free and in my back garden.

This version of JBJ is just diluting his legacy in my eyes. He’s old, boring and sounds terrible.

If you enjoy it, great. Neither of us are right or wrong. It’s just our opinions.

Jon’s last chance of redemption is Phil X and sadly, I think he’s letting that ship sail.

Phil IS energy. He’s fun, enthusiastic and can play hard. He sings well. He should be pushing Jon yet I get the feeling he’s on a tighter leash than Richie ever was. (I’m referring to letting rip, not a say in how the band is run)
Maybe he doesn't wanna share. Writing songs is quite an intimate process, you won't write with just anybody. Funny thing is, to me Phil X has always been the axeman "doing the guitar parts" as he himself put it. Not that's a secret anyway. Making him an official member hasn't changed a thing just as Hugh being one.
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Maybe he doesn't wanna share. Writing songs is quite an intimate process, you won't write with just anybody. Funny thing is, to me Phil X has always been the axeman "doing the guitar parts" as he himself put it. Not that's a secret anyway. Making him an official member hasn't changed a thing just as Hugh being one.


Phil doesn’t need to co-write to be allowed to express his talents. Give him the freedom to add some interesting riffs or fills, to play a solo that utilises some of his guitar techniques.


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That's wishful thinking, it's never gonna happen. Because for that, Jon would have to write rock music again, which he hasn't since Bounce at least, however he puts it. And since it's quite clear he doesn't want to write anything but Pop, Phil's undeniable skills aren't neededf and wouldn't fit the bill.

Sorry, but if you're waiting for BJ to write another hard rocking song, it's time to move on. If you're fine with songs like IWDYH, CMI and so on, then stick with them, like I do. Just my opinion...
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Old 09-26-2018, 09:20 PM
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That's wishful thinking, it's never gonna happen. Because for that, Jon would have to write rock music again, which he hasn't since Bounce at least, however he puts it. And since it's quite clear he doesn't want to write anything but Pop, Phil's undeniable skills aren't neededf and wouldn't fit the bill.

Sorry, but if you're waiting for BJ to write another hard rocking song, it's time to move on. If you're fine with songs like IWDYH, CMI and so on, then stick with them, like I do. Just my opinion...
It is clear that Phil's skills are simply to support Sambora's work on the tour, nothing more. And it's fine, I understand, anyway Richie was already limited in the processes of the recordings, even so, there were interesting things, like some solos in What About Now, yes, were few, but there was his brand. I think Jon could allow Phil a wider range of play, or that John Shanks make a more eye-catching guitar work like Fingerprints.

I'm curious about the new music and what role the band will play in it, especially Phil.

And I love the bonus tracks, I hope a few on the new album.
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I'm sure we've heard it all so we're in for no surprise. We'll get another mediocre album with cliche lyrics and computer-generated music. No, not excited at all but good for those who still hope for a miracle.
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...Nobody asked about Hurricane butterly or Rage of Angels?
damn fans...
Hey, Rolo! I found this li'l tidbit while I was looking for something else, and thought you might be interested in it. You may already know it; but it was news to me because I thought Rage of Angels came out of the writing sessions for THINFS. That's where I first heard of the title, anyway; back when the JT Detective Agency was trying to figure out what songs might be on the album based on new copyrights.

Rage of Angels has been around a lot longer than I thought, according to this quote from Joe Lynn Turner. I also thought JBJ and Desmond were the only co-writers; but Joe Lynn was a co-writer, too. The quote was in Daniels' Bon Jovi Encyclopedia, which was published in 2009, so it's at least that old. But from what he says about it, sounds to me like it may be even older than that. Like, back in the day older. Here's the quote:

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Yeah, [Bon Jovi] are a great rock band and still going strong. It was very different in our hair band days. It was less corporate, more gritty rock and roll as far as the scene goes. Desmond Child and I even wrote a song with him [called] 'Rage of Angels' which was vowed not to be released and that's too bad. Desmond did take the middle section and put it into... [an] Aerosmith song so he obviously used it later; it was also very reminiscent of 'Livin' On A Prayer' but that is only natural and it happens when people collaborate.
So there ya go. I guess we don't need to hold our breath anymore, hoping to hear it.
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