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Old 09-16-2017, 09:04 PM
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I'm trying to crack this same code myself... is it possible to have no tone left in ones speaking voice but have a certain range when singing?



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It apparently is. However, the inconsistency of Jon's vocal range is really confusing - first, a note or two sound like it's the Circle tour again, and then his voice goes completely out of the window. I honestly don't understand how that can even be possible...
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I don't think I buy it. He doesn't need to tour. He doesn't need the money and there's nothing left to prove - multiple years Jovi have had the biggest tour of anyone, by any measure, they closed the most iconic venue in the UK, they opened the most iconic venue in their turf. It's done. Regardless of the band Jon's now touring because he can, because he thinks he can still do it. And he'll count the green at the end of the day and be satisfied that regardless of our comments he was right... he's still god and we're just the critics who never got it because he is now surrounded by employees who are at his behest, not a one of them with a prospect of such a lucrative career to back out to as the tours offer. Shanks included - hit records get you **** all these days no matter how well connected you may be.

There's another reason I don't buy it too, when you're depressed you experience extremes. I can well see the hotel room being a cave of despair but the shows are the ultimate high, tens of thousands of people who just want to see you and push you along. Depression doesn't come in an all black brand and I can't see anyone touring with it who doesn't get a kick out of the show. The rest may be a cunt but the show... I don't buy it.
On one hand, I absolutely agree. If he's not able to give his all, he shouldn't be giving a half-assed performance. If you ask me, they shouldn't tour without Richie for a myriad of reasons, and if they must, Jon should stay away from performing with the band until he can front it again the way he always has, and the way the fans (and the band's legacy) deserve. But the band still has a following, a #1 album, a successful tour so far and the average fan enjoys the average show with all the hits and the butt-shaking, million-dollar smile flashing.

It's a tricky situation. Why would they stop making music if they have something to say? And making an album means touring it. Of course, nobody is forcing them to do it, they don't need the money, Jon considers performing live his least favourite part and so on, but I guess Dave, Tico and Hugh have a saying too and I imagine they were feeling the itch after a long time away from the stage (for BJ standards). And the timing probably was right with Dave's new musical which I believe is in the process of being picked up. If they waited too long it could turn into their longest hiatus and Jon is obviously afraid that nobody will care about them if they stop churning out new music and touring almost every year.

So you don't agree that all the standing on the spot checking the prompter could be a mental thing? Are *you* implying he's senile? Just kidding
It's very strange, whatever the reason. The guy runs so he should be able to move around and breathe with relative ease. It's not going to kill him to grab the mic and walk around. Being static hasn't improved his vocal performance. So it has to be something else, and a mental block makes sense. What you said makes sense too, but maybe he can't "lose himself" in the performance to block the insecurities or maybe he can and the high is enough to balance out those negative moments, who knows. But it's sad to see Jon reduced to this and no matter how critical I am and how little I care about their live performances in 2017, I don't want my favorite band to have such a fast huge decline
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Old 09-17-2017, 12:16 AM
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Wow TD was... wow... heartbreaking. It sounded better on the snippets and I got my hopes up for a second. And I hate to say this because Phil X is such a great guy and I enjoy watching him, but I don't like how he plays the solo, it sounds so flat and soulless
Stadium acoustics are definitively Jon's best friend. They'll survive Rock in Rio and that's all that matters at the end of the day (from the band's perspective). But man, Jon looks so out of his element walking aimlessly around the stage when he doesn't have anything to do. The too bright smiles, awkward clapping, butt shaking and lip pursing don't hide the fact that he looks uncomfortable as hell. It's as if he's been invited to do a special performance with a tribute band and he's pretending he's super into it but failing miserably

Ok, with no further ado the final roundup with the best video I could find for each song so far:

This House Is Not for Sale: https://youtu.be/3rkzuQ_5vq0
Raise Your Hands: https://youtu.be/WPU7e84cnhU
Knockout: https://youtu.be/hssr0a3ahGc
You Give Love a Bad Name: https://youtu.be/q_c7EccIs-Y
Born to Be My Baby: https://youtu.be/t42qkJOb4Jo
Lost Highway (partial): https://youtu.be/qoRCzDr0Ztk
Follow: https://youtu.be/4iqi2xgkaRE
I'll Sleep When I'm Dead: https://youtu.be/iKFTf5p0k3w
Runaway: https://youtu.be/yMMEiM63t2w
We Don't Run https://youtu.be/7_P6tF3bYQU
Someday I'll Be Saturday Night (Acoustic): https://youtu.be/RguRPkZ87ps
Bed of Roses: https://youtu.be/Z1aq0jy8JSA and https://youtu.be/Dn8A0hg4-EM
It's My Life: https://youtu.be/QVXC6x2rX6Y
Who Says (partial): https://youtu.be/SBsAOy8ok1A
God Bless This Mess: https://youtu.be/unkApAboFAA
Wanted Dead or Alive: https://youtu.be/AjTRXjjhu9s
LYHOM: https://youtu.be/KaSqPHWI0ww
HAND: https://youtu.be/XkbBi7Ig134
Cap Crash: https://youtu.be/4YQiUuMfzUU
Bad Medicine: https://youtu.be/15JcCGb8lKc

Encore:
In These Arms: https://youtu.be/TegHXuc0Ax0
I'll Be There for You: https://youtu.be/YudNW0zmtd4 and https://youtu.be/aAhEJc5Eoi8
Livin' on a Prayer: https://youtu.be/J0B0ZKd33ho

Encore 2:
These Days: https://youtu.be/pNOyCrcxptU
Keep the Faith: https://youtu.be/UYRpvyOZ9E4

I double checked and the KTF video is not slowed down. It's just a new slow-mo version
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On one hand, I absolutely agree. If he's not able to give his all, he shouldn't be giving a half-assed performance. If you ask me, they shouldn't tour without Richie for a myriad of reasons, and if they must, Jon should stay away from performing with the band until he can front it again the way he always has, and the way the fans (and the band's legacy) deserve. But the band still has a following, a #1 album, a successful tour so far and the average fan enjoys the average show with all the hits and the butt-shaking, million-dollar smile flashing.

It's a tricky situation. Why would they stop making music if they have something to say? And making an album means touring it. Of course, nobody is forcing them to do it, they don't need the money, Jon considers performing live his least favourite part and so on, but I guess Dave, Tico and Hugh have a saying too and I imagine they were feeling the itch after a long time away from the stage (for BJ standards). And the timing probably was right with Dave's new musical which I believe is in the process of being picked up. If they waited too long it could turn into their longest hiatus and Jon is obviously afraid that nobody will care about them if they stop churning out new music and touring almost every year.

So you don't agree that all the standing on the spot checking the prompter could be a mental thing? Are *you* implying he's senile? Just kidding
It's very strange, whatever the reason. The guy runs so he should be able to move around and breathe with relative ease. It's not going to kill him to grab the mic and walk around. Being static hasn't improved his vocal performance. So it has to be something else, and a mental block makes sense. What you said makes sense too, but maybe he can't "lose himself" in the performance to block the insecurities or maybe he can and the high is enough to balance out those negative moments, who knows. But it's sad to see Jon reduced to this and no matter how critical I am and how little I care about their live performances in 2017, I don't want my favorite band to have such a fast huge decline
Spot on - my thoughts are exactly the same, but I wouldn't have been able to it put it into words even close to the way (or level) you did.
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