So when can we expect European dates for 2016?

It always amazes me how little people think of Tico and David's input within the band. "Oh Richie's not there, that = JBJ solo album". I mean I get it, Richie was Jon's right hand man for so many years, songwriting partner etc. But when Tico is behind the drums you get a different feel than if Kenny Aronoff or whoever was playing on it. Dave is the last one to go through the song and arrange and record his part. Even not taking into account the recording, the live shows are another beast with them. The shows without Tico, as good as they were, lacked a certain power behind the beat, I really can't agree, this isn't JBJ solo, it's just Bon Jovi without a Richie that doesn't want to be there.....

Richie has as much of an overblown ego as Jon has. You blame Jon for chasing number 1 hits, albums and tours and make it sound like all that matters to him are numbers.
Yet, when Richie was still in the band, he was always the first to brag about how many countries and months they toured, how successful this and that album was etc.
Nowadays he can't stop talking about how he's such big friends with anyone who's got a name in the music scene and how they've "often played together", even if they had just shared the same stage for 10 minutes.

Totally agree with you.

A story well worth retelling: I enjoyed my inital listen to Richie's Undiscovered Soul album and saw it as a definite progression from Stranger In This Town. However, it was a little lacking in something, though I couldn't define what it was...

It nagged at me so much, I finally started playing Stranger In This Town, and had my answer within minutes: While Richie had used Kenny Aronoff on Undiscovered Soul, he had used Tico on Stranger!

I agree with Becky. What do you see indicating another WAN? The only indication we have going forward is perhaps BB, and I don't know about you, but that feels vastly different to WAN for me. In fact, everything points to something different to WAN: Jon allegedly recording with the band this time, in the old studio, no Richie, possibility of Phil on board etc.

I guess only time will tell, and of course what exactly your definition of a WAN-like album is.

Aloha !

Every Bon Jovi album since Keep The Faith has been pretty much a Jon Bon Jovi solo record. The difference is that since Have A Nice Day the input from Tico and David has diminished a lot because they were no longer present during the demo process. I've a feeling that's changed with this new release.

I don't think so. What About Now and its tour were released because Jon desperately needed to get money together for the football team. Everyone knew the album and tour and came too soon. It was a rushed process, and this tour isn't.

Now that the tour failed, album failed and subsequently the deal with the Buffalo Wings also failed I reckon he's changes his priorities a bit. Sure, it'll still be about making as much money as possible, but I don't think it's meant as another cash grab this time.

If it is, he's a moron and will never learn because ultimately all the money he made with last tour didn't make him any happier. Last tour had more cancellations and rescheduled shows than all tours before that one combined, and last 2 studio releases have completely tanked. It'd be completely pointless to do it the same way all over again.

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Sebastiaan

Wow Seb I'm very surprised you're giving Jon the benefit of the doubt here (for a change). I'm with Roly I'm afraid on this one. I'm going to go with the notion that he's a moron and it's going to be another WAN. Why would he changed a habit of the past 15 years. In 14 years of the last 15 he's not been trying to raise money for a football team but still the albums have been sub average compared to the 80s and 90s.


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But Seb JUST went over this. The last 14 to 15 years argument doesn't work because we're talking HAND forward, the notion of them forgoing demoing and going right in. I would take Lost Highway out of that, there was a surplus of songs written and 2 separate producers. I have faith that they're taking their time for this one knowing there's no clamor for new material.

Why is it different now? Look at the state of the band after the last tour. Hospitalizations, cancellations, Richie's gone...they're not going to rush it.

Sorry dude I think you're deluded. We have this every album. "It's gonna be different this time. Yada yada". There has been no indication at all that it's gonna be different at all. We all know what we want on the whole from a new album. I think every fan is roughly singing from the same hymn sheet.

Call me cynical. But you can't blame me. You can see that right?


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Absolutely I can see your side of things and why you'd feel that way. I'm not deluded, I'm using what we know (Tico and David more present in the recording, Dave taking over a chunk of the backing vocals, the band recording TOGETHER) as things they're fixing that I didn't care for previously. So to say there's been no indication it's not going to be different isn't true, you're just choosing to ignore the few signs we've been given due to being burned in the past, which I get. It's been a lot of "this is a rock album" when it hasn't. I'm not expecting a rock album, I'm hoping for a GOOD one and I think we're on the right track so far. Time will tell and I may be wrong but I can hope and like the steps they've taken so far.