The Circle live claim!

We should soo get somebody to make a sign that would be discreet yet obvious to the band, like a big banner that says "vroooom!" or something. I think Jon would get the hint

You know that we could go on like that for months but none of us would change his mind anyway. You’ve got your truth and I’ve got mine. And just because there are at least 2 different opinions it proves there is no general rule whether song works or doesn’t work live. And that’s what I was talking about.

That’s not my excuse for anything. That is a fact that you don’t like TC. As far as I remember you were the first one that started all the bitching about this album and you still continue on doing that. And I am just saying that it has to affect your perception of these songs. You said yourself that people go to shows to hear the songs they like so if you don’t like them you are not satisfied. And by the way as far as I have noticed most of the people from JT that have seen the shows really enjoyed LTOR so probably that’s only your opinion that it sucks live. I for example really regret I did not have a chance to hear it during my 3 shows.

I can only agree with you on 2 things – Superman and WFTWM are not the best choices. It’s not that these are bad songs, but just simply there are better songs on the album. BPL leads them all of course. But also HN, TIMS, Bullet, LTOR should be played every night along with WWBTF and WWWB. I’d also love to hear LTL played on the circle or even FC on some nights. And I am not the only one over here saying this. By playing about 6 songs from TC you still have place for about 18-20 hits and that’s more than enough to please the crowd. Of course 95% of the crowd do not go there to see the new songs but still that should not stop Jon from playing them.

And last but not least. Please do not compare yourself to Jesus and don’t use lines like that anymore. You have the right not to believe in anything but you should at least respect other religions and other people’s beliefs. With this last sentence you have just shown again how self righteous you really are in my opinion. First you’re better than Bon Jovi, now you are like Jesus. Wonder what’s next?

Everytime I read your posts I get a feeling that you are trying to prove us all that your truth is the only truth there is out there. That only almighty King of JT – Supersonic Seb knows everything best and we should all bend down before you and agree with you. You can call me an outlaw but it seems I will always stand against you in those situations.

And it’s a little bit strange that people who actually met you say that you are totally different in real life compared to Seb on JT. I wonder how’s that possible, to have 2 different personalities. But it just means that one of them is fake. Wonder which one…

I have said it before but for me your love for BJ music is gone. Right now you have become nothing else but a music critic. You go to the shows and watch carefully what goes right and what goes wrong. And you really enjoy pointing out all faults more than good points. Maybe that’s because you just attend too many shows. You mostly analyze the shows while you should simply enjoy them as a fan. And that’s sad. Your website is great and you managed to gather so much great info about the band over there and I don’t question your knowledge but emotionally you have no connection with the band anymore. Of course that is my opinion and you can feel different but your posts just don’t show it.

I couldn't agree more.

These Days had that problem, but no denying how good the album. remenber hey god?

Aloha !

I just explained when a song works and when it doesn't. A full crowd not getting into a song has got nothing to do with an opinion, but has everything to do with it not working. It's just the way it is. Everyone seems to get this apart from you, yet you want to get your right by telling me it's my opinion just so you can tell me to disagree on this and all that nonsense.

Yeah, and there you go again. Just because you enjoy the song live doesn't mean that it works live. Just because you regret this doesn't mean anything. It means you enjoy it, it doesn't mean everyone else does. I enjoy hearing many songs like Hey God, Damned, Dry County, but they don't go over live at all in America, which is why I think Jon should try and find other rare songs to play. Many people on Jovitalk love The Circle and would like to hear all the songs live, yet that means shit, because none of the songs go over really well. Yes, you enjoy them, no the average crowd doesn't. It's just the way it is. When Jon stops raising his hand on WWBTF and let's the backing vocals do this everyone in the crowd stops raising their hands. Now compare that to Raise Your Hands where no matter what Jon does, everyone raises their hands. It's that simple the understand, yet you definitely want it to be a matter of opinion, which it just isn't.

Exactly. Over here people would like that. The average joe doesn't give a **** about LTL, because the average joe didn't buy the album in the first place.


If you really want to go there; I am a lot more tolerant than most religions are. So **** this bullshit about me not showing respect to other religions because all that religion does it telling me how I should respect them instead of showing respect for what I do. **** that.

As soon as my dad dies I take his spot on the throne.


By saying things like this you're not an outlaw but just one of the retards who thinks he needs to save this board or tell me how it is. I've had plenty of times when people disagree with me, yet they seem to get it. I don't mind people disagreeing with my opinion, but you like a few others, seem to want to make it personal and stop listening to anything I post in the first time. As soon as it's negative your alarm goes off and you HAVE TO GET ON IT AND TELL ME I'm WRONG. That's not going to work.


See? There we go. The personal stuff is going on now, because you can't win anything with what you're saying, because what you're saying is what you want to be true (as in The Circle songs working in a live show) so now you have to bring it down to a personal level. It's silly, and it's not true either. And you've got no ****ing idea what I am like in real life but hope it's different than what you get from me on Jovitalk, just so you can tell me I'm fake this or that, and you can get your point. That's not going to happen, because it's just not the way it is.

As long as I'm the one travelling to Canada, the USA and France I think it's fair to say that I've got a bigger love for Bon Jovi than you do with your 3 O2 shows. So **** you, if you want to go there with telling someone else he doesn't love the band he should. You can just go **** yourself right there with your huge love for Bon Jovi music.


No, it's you who's not getting it. I'm all for healthy discussions or debates, but yours aren't going anywhere because you assume to many things which aren't true in the first place, just so you can autocomplete this picture you have of me. I am just one of the posters on this board and it's people like you who give me this "legendary" status. You honestly believe Iceman or Thierry or Kathleen or Bang_A_Drum have the same debates with me? No. We sit around the table, discuss things, Kathleen likes hearing a song, I don't. End of it. I tell her "yeah but it doesn't work" she goes "Yeah but I like it but I can understand why Jon doesn't play it" and that's the end of it. There's no "Seb, your character is fake and your love for Bon Jovi is gone, and you shouldn't make jokes about Jesus, and you shouldn't do this, and you shouldn't do that" bullshit. As soon as you start to do that you lose the argument instantly because you fail to stick to the subject.

So once again; the songs don't work. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact, just like it's a fact that I don't like The Circle and you do. It's that easy. And if you refuse to accept it it's your stubborness and your problem, and not mine.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Looks like the saddest "wanking asshole with no job" is back... time to top up the ignore list.

I do like Fast cars either...I like all the Circle songs except 2 "Live before you die"(nice but boring to me) and I don't get "bullet"..it's probably one of the most Rocky songs in the album but i don't get it..what can I do..

I Disagree..maybe not Hard Rock..but there is ROCK...if there is not Rock on it then tell me what it is "captain crush","I love this town", and "lost Highway"..POP?country?country-pop-rock?...whatever but Rock.
But don't misunderstand me,I like them too,because I like every style of music and I like the way they write songs(To be honest I specially liked Lost highway,believe it or not)...But Bon Jovi is known as a Rock band.
Having those songs as part of their BASIC set list is like comparing them or letting them at the same level that wanted,living or Bed of Roses..and they are not, liking it or not.They are good for entertain but shouldn't be played every night as basics unless Bj want to be known by that kind of style from now on..
For once they make a record that to me is the closest record to "these days" from this century(not saying is at the same level but the closest to that style in years), they should defend more that kind of music making that captain crush and partners..which are quite more Poppy..

What older songs nostalgia?

Captain Crash that is