The Official November 27 Kyocera Dome, Osaka, Japan Thread

Well, diehards aren't that relevant, since they are by far outnumbered by casuals. And casuals want to hear the hits, and putting them (mostly) at the end of the set makes everyone leave on a high, especially with Prayer ending the show. Simple as that.

That BTBMB wasn't that bad. I've heard worse over the years to be honest...

For a band with some real great songs and rarities the set lists are so bland.

They say they practice 90+ songs but nothing in those last 2 shows was a “wow” choice.

Throw in something different.
Lose the Lost Highway combo as it don’t work and never has. They have even found a way to make WSYCGH even more tedious.
I actually thought the acoustic start was ok (for a dreadful song) then 15 mins later it’s still going on and my ears are bleeding.

I’m already regretting buying my tickets if the set lists are this poor in Europe.
I’d take them playing different songs and butchering them over these set lists.

Finally the spark has gone for JBJ. I don’t think it’s the same for him since Richie left. Maybe he’d have him back but Tico and Dave wont? It’s like the lights have been switched off for Jon.






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I am pretty sure that in the 2010 tour (inside out) the song was in D. Not D flat.

They have been downtuning guitars, and eventually songs, since the nineties.

Nevertheless, I don't believe the downtuning is enough to justify a very strong drag.

Yeah but that doesn't excuse the first half of the set at all. There's too much midtempo songs that neither the casuals know nor the diehards care about. I agree that the show should build up towards their big hits, but it's the rest that needs to at least be rotated.

They would never play a show just for die hards.
We would all love a gig with ton of songs from Boxset and New Jersey tracks on disc 2 but half the audience would hate it. I get that.
But there are ways to make it more interesting for long time fans.
Whats wrong with the odd b-side or rare track?

I think that's the case as well. Jon needs stability and his "band of brothers" was that where he felt comfortable with the ones surrounding him. As capable as Phil X and Shanks may be musically, it's not the same for him and you see that. Haven't seen Jon geniuenly happy since the 2011 show I guess.

That comment he made in the German SPIEGEL interview in 2016 about touring was quite revealing with regards to that.

And about letting Richie back (not that I want to open that topic up again): set aside if either Jon or Richie want that, I think (since the most recent interview and someone pointint out the tenions at the HoF afterwards) that David wouldn't want that either.

True, but I think Jon uses the first half of the set to please himself, i.e. play songs that *he* likes, then followed by songs that he thinks *we* like. I think he said he only does this for the odd song or two, but I think it's definitely the case with WLOL/LH, for example.

What you chat a lot of the time.

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Somehow I get the feeling sometimes that Jon neither likes their hits too much nor most of the fan favourites. Only a small portion of cuts that (ironically) the fans don't like too much.
What I find interesting is that he stated in the WWWB documentary "I don't like the lull because I find it harder to pull it back up again". Yet this combo always kills off the energy from the start of the show. He could at least stick to one of the two songs per night or spread them out.