UK ticket sales

Captain Walrus · #31 06-13-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Groovemaster

The attendance figures are the same (and completely right) - the capacity is the capacity that is given by the promoter not the actual capacity of the stadium. Got it?

Where do you give a source to the capacity set by the promoter? I'm fairly positive Wikipedia will not tell you how much was set as a sellout for these specific concerts

Captain Walrus · #32 06-13-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Groovemaster

Compared to BJ ' status a clear "no". In Stuttgart 2 years ago there were twice as much fans and playing in front of a half emtpy Veltins Arena (first date of the European tour) must be pretty depressing if you ask me.
If you see BJ as a firm (which they are ) you can clearly see danger signs - or do you say "the gross is about half than last year's but it is still ok" - no way!

And WTF about economics - face it folks - funny that no one considers that it has the slightest to do with artistic reasons. Europe hated LH - and so the LH haters stayed home. That's the simple truth. The shows may not have been as bad as expected (especially after those terrible Japanese Shows which were the worst in BJ history!) but all they need is a long break to think about their mistakes in 2007/8 (and there were LOTS!!!) and return with a killer album and decent liveshows. I hope they will play indoors again (after this fiasco in 2008 this is more than likely - you won't find any European promoter who is booking stadiums for BJ anymore). If they did as planned - doing some shows for LH as promo and not a proper tour it would have been better and they wouldn't have lost so many fans.
Back to the Roots BJ - back in 2011! I hope so!

Are you Born_To_Run? You are aren't you?

So what, you're saying that the ONLY reason for the downturn in sales is the Lost Highway album? Not any of the three things I said?

Captain Walrus · #33 06-13-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Groovemaster

It depends how you define "capacity" - IMHO it is how many people a stadium can hold not a number a promoter tells you.
For example: Def Leppard started to sell tickets for Manchester - no upper seats were sold in the beginning. After it was "Sold out" (= capacity without upper seats) the upper seats were sold as well and so it is a ""REAL"" sellout now.
Saying that Gelsenkirchen was sold out with less than half of capacity (REAL capacity) is a bad joke - but it has nothing to do with BJ it is common everywhere (still a bad joke though!)

Perhaps, but you quite clearly said "the capacity is the capacity that is given by the promoter not the actual capacity of the stadium. Got it?"

RichieW2001 · #34 06-13-2008, 09:31 PM

Have you seen the size of the Bon Jovi stage this year? The reason the promoter sets a capacity is because that's how much it'll hold when the stage is in place and the logistics of managing the crowd have been set. Just because Wikipedia says the capacity is X, doesn't mean that X is what it'll hold for a Bon Jovi concert. On top of that, I could go in and change any one of those values and nobody would be any the wiser. None of them cite any reputable sources.

For somebody who is evidently trying to appear intelligent, your lack of lateral, rational thinking is flabergasting.

Captain Walrus · #35 06-13-2008, 09:33 PM

Oh, I see what you're on about now. Still, officially it's still a "sell out", for as much as that actually matters. Like I said, its probably down to many factors

Edit. That was at Groovemaster, aka BTR

Captain Walrus · #36 06-13-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Groovemaster

It is NOT ONLY a result of the LH album but it is one of the reasons - the LH album got mied receptions in Europe and people were shocked seeing the old songs played in NEW versions with fiddles. I know a lot of people who stayed home just because of this. Ticket prices and economy din't help either thats true...

Oh, you mention the fiddles, you're definetly Born_To_Run ..... Would you stop being a moron? No one except you won't go to any shows purely because there is a fiddle in a few songs

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Originally Posted by Groovemaster

For me this ain't a sellout at all. I can book Wembley say "the capacity is 20 and I sell 20 tickets and I sell out Wembley "???? Hmmmmmm

Apart from the fact that 20 is very different to 30,000 .... if the promoter books the stadium, and sets a capacity so as to make a profit, then yes, its a valid sellout. Again, not that that particularly matters. Who knows, they could have sold out a higher capacity, but the promoters setting the capacity didn't allow that

slippery89 · #37 06-13-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Groovemaster

The capacity is ridiculous - these are the HARD FACTS:

This is just just to inform you how "well" this tour has been so far.....

Schalke Veltins Arena: Capacity 78.437 für concerts (see: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veltins-Arena - look for "Kapazität" and "Konzerte") Actual audience: 38.918
so it was more than half empty!!!)

Commerzbank Arena / Frankfurt : 55.000 Capacity for Concerts (see here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerzbank-Arena)Actual attendance: 37.187
so it was 1/3 Empty

Leipzig Zentralstadion: 44.345 Capacity / 34.084 actual attendance
so it was 1/4 Empty

Stuttgart Daimler Stadion: 55.000 Capacity (see here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion) in the youtube clips you can easily see that the satium is COMPLETEY empty in the back seatings!
Actual attendance: 36.768
so it was more than 1/3 Empty

Any further questions ??????? I am too lazy to look for the other stadiums!
But Barca will be the same. The only decent crowd is Munich which holds 72.000 so it was almost full capacity. Ridiculous to release such figures if you ask me but it seems to be that they always do it like this not only BJ

First off Wikipedia is not a reliable source because they have two different capacity numbers the one you found and the english one says 61,482 and Worldstadiums.com says 61,027 so I would say your way off. Like someone mentioned you are forgeting about the stage so that blocks off a good amount of the seats, plus every stadium is different so the side they put the stage on might take up more seats than the last one. Also the "Front of the House" blocks off seats straight across to the back and then you have the side seats that are blocked off as well, so there are many factors including what the promotor sets that make up that capacity number. Also Munich's capacity is around 69,000 so your number was wrong on that one too. I would check those other stadiums too.

Crushgen24/88 · #38 06-13-2008, 11:30 PM

Hey BTR, been wondering when you'd pop up again.

Captain Walrus · #39 06-14-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Groovemaster

LMFAO - first time in ages one could discuss with some of you guys and then this....
Fact is LOADS of people stayed home because they hated LH and the way the classics are delivered and because of the fiddle and this obby guy!

How is that even remotely fact? I guarantee that a sizeable amount of the audience won't even own LH, and the majority of them also won't be aware that there is a fiddle player. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it bothers that many people, mainly because they don't know about it. And those who it does matter to might be more interested that they are playing Always and Hey God again, and that by most accounts these are the best shows since 1996

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Cmon you doint wanna tell me that they DIDN'T WANT TO SELL more tickets for gelsenkirchen ??? Cmon!!!!
Why don't you face the fact that there was not enough demand. FOr each show (incl. Munich) there were tickets available at the venue on the day of the concert!!!FACT also!

Promoters do not stop selling tickets when they reached their break even point - got it ???
I really do hope you ain't employed in the music biz -)

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I really do not care whether a concert is sold out or not! I've already said that the demand was less ... for many reasons: high ticket prices (which they hopefully may decide not to charge again if this tour hasn't sold as well as the HAND tour), the economy sucking everyone's disposable income, and most importantly, that the band have played the same markets 5 times in 9 years, as I said. The casual fan is most definetly not going to pay £50 to see a band that they saw two years ago and aren't all that interested in. I think that is far mor likely than saying that people aren't going because there's a fiddle in like two songs

Captain Walrus · #40 06-14-2008, 01:08 AM

I cannot wait for someone to come around and hit you with the banning stick again

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