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Old 06-14-2008, 02:28 AM
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Old 06-14-2008, 03:24 AM
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The capacity is ridiculous - these are the HARD FACTS:

This is just just to inform you how "well" this tour has been so far.....

Schalke Veltins Arena: Capacity 78.437 für concerts (see: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veltins-Arena - look for "Kapazität" and "Konzerte") Actual audience: 38.918
so it was more than half empty!!!)
I ll give you just one calculation!

http://www.budgetairlinefootball.co....ession*id*val*
Schalke 04 - The Veltins Schalke Arena - Capacity: 61,482 (45,173 Seats)

Which means that on footbal field you can put around 15000 people. Now, you need to put concert stage on that field. When you do so seats behind the stage are useless. Allso, seats on the left and right side of stage are useless if they look on stage at angel larger then 65-70°.

So, we need to remove those seats from our capacity. Allso, stage is really deep, which means there will be allso more useless seats on left and on the right side of stage. We can remove 1/4 of the seats capacity just because of the back of the stage becoming useless and left and right of the stage too. But with fact that stage isnt deep 2 meters, but really more, we can say we can remove at least 30 % of the seating capacity.

Now we need to think about standing capacity. We can remove at least 20 % of standing capacity because of the stage. After that we can remove another 10 % because of the other things on the field, such as barriers, screens, security, etc...

45 000*0.70=31 500
15 000*0.70=10 000

= 41 500

Margin of error of this calculation is 5%
41 500 (+- 2075)

Bon Jovi says 39 000! Well, well, well! Guess we have it clear now!
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Old 06-14-2008, 11:57 AM
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Check wikipedia AGAIN! It says "FOR CONCERTS" (in German "FÜR KONZERTE") it has a capacity of 78.437! here is the link AGAIN: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veltins-Arena Check on the right "Kapazität" (= Capacity) and "für Konzerte" (= for concerts).
Why do you always lie to yourselves.
In 2006 at the same place were about 60.000. SO now you tell me the arena shrinked right ????
LIke I said Wikipedia is not are reliable source, in English it has a capacity of 61,482 and Worldstadiums.com has it as 61,027, so it's somewhere in between there. There is no way that that stadium holds nearly 80,000 people, sometimes you can just "eye" a stadium and give an estimate, compare it to another 80,000 capacity stadium like Twickenham, no way.
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The difference is about 400. But you all keep on saying that a 76000 Stadium like gelsenkirchen is sold out with 38.000 - pathetic!
You don't want to face facts that they are still selling out stadiums and they will continue to do so forever. They are still and always will be one of the biggest bands in the world. This tour will be there highest grossing tour ever, face it.
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LMFAO - look at the half empty stadiums and face the facts! Is it fun to lie to yourself ?????? In Gelsenkirchen there were 60000 in 2006 38.000 in 2008. Face it or cry or do both!
Lets pretend we are dreaming for a minute and pretend your right even with the so called 38000, how many bands do you think can get that today? Not many at all......
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Lets pretend we are dreaming for a minute and pretend your right even with the so called 38000, how many bands do you think can get that today? Not many at all......


Good point - who else could do a world tour on this scale today? U2, The Rolling Stones, Bruce & Madonna. Any more?
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U2 Genesis Police to name but a few without thinking too much about it...
The Police and Genesis were comeback tours. If Bon Jovi had been out of touring for as long as those two, they'd sell out anywhere they played.
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U2 Genesis Police to name but a few without thinking too much about it...
Repeat that again for me. Did I just hear you put BON JOVI, alongside those legendary bands. Who have shit loads of credibility and are still relevant in one way or another. Thank You.
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Have you seen the size of the Bon Jovi stage this year? The reason the promoter sets a capacity is because that's how much it'll hold when the stage is in place and the logistics of managing the crowd have been set. Just because Wikipedia says the capacity is X, doesn't mean that X is what it'll hold for a Bon Jovi concert. On top of that, I could go in and change any one of those values and nobody would be any the wiser. None of them cite any reputable sources.

For somebody who is evidently trying to appear intelligent, your lack of lateral, rational thinking is flabergasting.
Exactly! Tickets sold to any concert is NEVER the same capacity as the arena/stadium will hold. There are many factors like the size of the stage to consider. Also, the results given to Billboard are AUDITED, so it's not just a number pulled out of someone's ass. After each gig, there is a "settle up" process.
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