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Old 09-20-2012, 04:02 PM
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So, we will probably get at least 'Every Road..' during a Jovi show. Toilet break for many I fear, it's no ''Ill be there for you''....


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Jon promised the same for the Bounce Tour. "Oh yeah, Richie might sing a solo tune here and there, we're mixing it up." Hard Times Come Easy was rehearsed with the band, but was never played.

If the tour starts in America I give Richie's songs a few shows and then Jon'll decide he'd better stick to Lay Your Hands On Me again. If he's not allowed to do Homebound Train I doubt Jon sees any future in a Richie solo song. He needs to work way too hard to win the crowd back, especially over there.

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Jon promised the same for the Bounce Tour. "Oh yeah, Richie might sing a solo tune here and there, we're mixing it up." Hard Times Come Easy was rehearsed with the band, but was never played.

If the tour starts in America I give Richie's songs a few shows and then Jon'll decide he'd better stick to Lay Your Hands On Me again. If he's not allowed to do Homebound Train I doubt Jon sees any future in a Richie solo song. He needs to work way too hard to win the crowd back, especially over there.

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Indeed. Maybe not in America, but I could see them at least trying it a bit in Europe. Also, it wouldn't be that big of a stretch for Richie to do a short solo set in the support slot - I have seen this done a few times actually, for example last time I saw Meatloaf his guitarist played a 30min slot of his solo material before the main act. But Richie's probably too lazy for that.

Bon Jovi seem to start of with a few good ideas that soon fizzle out. Richie playing 'These Days' and 'Homebound train' was good, then suddenly no more. Same with the band bringing 'Shot through the heart, Get Ready' etc out of the vault, before never playing them again.


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Bon Jovi seem to start of with a few good ideas that soon fizzle out. Richie playing 'These Days' and 'Homebound train' was good, then suddenly no more. Same with the band bringing 'Shot through the heart, Get Ready' etc out of the vault, before never playing them again.


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I doubt Jon's gonna let Richie go on first and have him play a short show before everyone else. He's done it once but that was at a charity show. I doubt Jon's ego can handle Richie taking the spotlight before he does, especially in Europe where Richie's a lot more famous than in Amurreca.

And as for These Days, that one just fell flat, even in Europe. But when it comes down to the rare stuff like the early songs; it's a shame he never attempted doing more of that in Europe. I also think Jon was relieved American audiences didn't dig those songs as much as he was told they would, there was no way Jon could do those songs justice night after night and it's much easier for him to just autopilot himself through Sleep and Crash again with a crowd digging those songs a lot more, than to actually put effort in songs he needs to try a bit harder for.

Most of Jon's intentions are good and I'm sure he feels like doing several of them, up until the point of rehearsal that is. A lot of it comes down to lazyness and American crowd reaction. Play Diamond Ring in Europe and people'll listen. Play Diamond Ring in America and the crowd takes a piss break. They did Get Ready in Lisbon and everyone was into it. Compare that to the crowd reaction in America and it's kinda obvious why he never tried again.

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The problem with Jon doing these rarities in America isn't just the crowds. It's Jon's laziness during these songs. He can't remember the lyrics, so he just stands at the mic stand. If he moved around a bit, same goes for Richie, they'd get the crowd into it. I saw Motley and Kiss the other night. Granted, Motley plays mostly it's greatest hits, but even when they threw the new single in there, Vince (broken foot and all) still worked the stage, and obviously so did Nikki and Tommy.

Jon can't save all his energy for Bad Medicine and Shout. He needs to work it through the entire show.

As for Richie's solo stuff, no one in the States gives a shit.
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The problem with Jon doing these rarities in America isn't just the crowds. It's Jon's laziness during these songs. He can't remember the lyrics, so he just stands at the mic stand. If he moved around a bit, same goes for Richie, they'd get the crowd into it.
I partially agree with that. If it were true, the same would have to count for other parts of the world, or are you implying that Jon performs those rare songs in a different way on other territories? It really doesn't matter how much energy Jon puts in certain songs, the U.S.A. will never care for a song like Whole Lot Of Leavin' or an acoustic rendition of Something For The Pain. It's just the way it is, even people that call themselves die hards at Bon Jovi shows "I have seen every tour!" won't be able to tell you what album Dry County is from.

There obviously is the exception over there, members on Jovitalk are perfect proof of that and I've met plenty of them in America, but a lot of the fans that buy the VIP packages still come to see the big hits up close and have no idea what a rare song is, apart from it being good opportunity to pose in front of the band while having their picture taken. And if the first few rows, which are supposed to be the die hards, won't have any idea what's happening on stage when the band digs into something like Hey God, what kind of message does that send to the band?

The only thing that I feel should change is Jon giving into the masses 90% of the times. He's well aware that there's plenty of American fans that do know the words to songs like Dry County, Hey God and all the other stuff that always gets played in Europe, so why not give a big **** you to the rich knobheads in the front and just have some fun on stage while actually really giving a performance of the older stuff? Just because you can't see the appreciation on the front row doesn't mean that no one likes it. In the end, an American who travels to see 15 shows in 5 different states hands them a lot more money than the 3 persons who've bought their VIP ultimate deluxe package.

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I'm one of the latter. I try to get good seats, but more of my money goes on numerous shows as opposed to dropping a months paycheck to get close and get a folding chair.

I've come to expect very little from the shows anymore. I still go because they're my favorite band, and I love hearing the classics. But yeah, it's obviously disappointing when the house lights go on and I've heard nothing different from the previous tours.

The "die hards" are so funny. They don't know crap. I'll mention a song like Love Is War and they'll just stare at me with this dumb look on their face.
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If album is out In March and everyone is banging on about this being a 12 month tour all I can assume if that the tour will kick off properly after the usual promo performances around June and wil then run on until June/July ending in Europe 2014. Or maybe even ending on 3 or 4 US stadium shows after completing Europe!

As like you said 2013 is very soon for them to be returning to Europe especially after the somewhat 'goodbye' speech we got in Lisbon
i hope you are right and the european tour is in 2014. even though a strech like that would be probably mentioned by the band like a mega 1 1/2-2 year tour for sure...anyway it looks like they have realise there is demand in other regions and they shouldnt just visit north america/europe/tokyo.
jon will give richie his slot in the show..of course its a bj show and 2 songs in a row may never work but i guess they will try it at first. i love the odd song choices and the setlist surprises and bj have delivered even if we always want more,(and rightly so) BUT if some songs dont work they just dont work, he shouldnt put the extra effort in let it rock for example but in songs from the last release(one of the few low points for me of the circle tour was their dissapintment towards part of the record, some songs werent given a true chance to shine in a live environment...brokenpromiseland...),
i truly believe that jon knows when a song works live, ok he has his obsessions(love this town-wlol-who says-etc) but he knows, in a way i blame richie more for the poor variety of his slot...he could come up with ideas...who wouldnt like a hendrix cover from richie?or a song like rosie once in a while? for a band with their experience it would be really easy to have 4-5 songs rehearsed than 1-2...if richie felt strong about this i m sure jon would went along...on the contrary richie himself goes up there with a mentallity to fill some space of the show most of the time...
and one last thought, listened to richies band and they sound really really good, unfortunately in the bj format with bobby as second guitarist many songs wont be the same...(like stranger is better with tico on drums)

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I honestly can't see the guys coming to Europe in June/July of next year. 2014 sounds like a much safer bet for a European leg. They'll circle the states and probably Asia before heading this way.
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I think they surly will come to Europe next year. Were should they play the whole next year? In USA? Never! They will come to Europe for sure!
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Europe was only one time the last of the tour. Europe will not be the finisher next tour. Never
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