Verizon Arena 03/20/2018 Little Rock, AR - TREAD

Originally Posted by Supersonic

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He can't sing the ones currently in the set either, so this is hardly a valid excuse.

Further on, considering as to how he's playing "all the hits..." Playing all your hits is never a good thing, for a large group of casual fans it means that once you've seen an act there's no desire to go back. You also don't "need" to play every hit. Many bands can get away with not playing their biggest hit(s). Especially an act like Bon Jovi, who've got the luxury of over 10 top 40 hits. Ignore 5 and you've still got a set with hits most bands would be jealous at.

As for those who honestly believe there's no room for improvement: Those marked in red were either album tracks or singles that barely charted:

1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Knockout
3. You Give Love a Bad Name
4. Whole Lot of Leavin'
5. Lost Highway
6. When We Were Us
7. Born to Be My Baby
8. Who Says You Can't Go Home
9. It's My Life
10. We Weren't Born to Follow
11. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
12. We Got It Goin' On
13. Keep the Faith
14. Amen
15. Bed of Roses
16. Lay Your Hands on Me
17. God Bless This Mess
18. Have a Nice Day
19. Bad Medicine

Encore:
20. Wanted Dead or Alive
21. Livin' on a Prayer

That's close to half the set. Now I get promoting a record, but it's a pointless excersize to play more than 3 new songs when non of the singles even charted properly. Bon Jovi plays 4. This leaves 6 slots open for stuff that could be rotated for pretty much everything.

Are you honestly saying there's no room in this set for 6 different songs? The last time I saw this band was 5 years ago. Out of the all the album cuts that are still being played there's 1 rarely played and it's Amen. Do you honestly believe Amen is there to please the die hards? No, it's there because Jon wants to play it, no one gives a shit about Amen.

Now as for playing "all the hits". They're not. These are the biggest hits they're currently ignoring:

- Runaway
- Only Lonely
- I'll Be There For You
- Living In Sin
- In These Arms
- Always
- This Ain't A Love Song
- Thank You For Loving Me
- (You Want To) Make A Memory

Sure, they're not their biggest hits, but neither is Have A Nice Day and it's there anyway. Out of these 9 songs they've been ignoring the same 5 songs for the last 25 years. Unless you're lucky, then you might just get Always or Living In Sin. Now you could pick 2, put them in the set and out of a list of 21 songs 2 would be aimed at the die hards. Now fill the other 4 slots with album cuts that fits the category "general partystuff" like Raise Your Hands or We Got It Goin' On and you've get a much better setlist.

Let's recreate the set with stuff that's relatively easy to sing and would go over well enough with American audiences:

1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Knockout
3. You Give Love a Bad Name
4. 99 In The Shade
5. Just Older
6. When We Were Us
7. Born to Be My Baby
8. Who Says You Can't Go Home
9. It's My Life
10. This Ain't A Love Song
11. Breakout
12. Little Bit Of Soul
13. Keep the Faith
14. Thank You For Loving Me
15. Bed of Roses
16. Lay Your Hands on Me
17. God Bless This Mess
18. Have a Nice Day
19. Bad Medicine

Encore:
20. Wanted Dead or Alive
21. Livin' on a Prayer

All I did was change 6 songs. I put in 2 extra hits and then added 4 album cuts of which only 2 have barely been played in their entire career. Now tell me again how this setlist doesn't work, and the ones Bon Jovi come up with does? For a band who keeps going on about how the Hall of Fame was a thank you to the fans they show little appreciation towards the die hards when actually playing in front of them.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by manarosi

Those marked Red Just confirm my point, After HAND bj has been Pretty much irrevelant, so he can't pick big hits After HAND because there has been none,but at the same time he can't pick from 80's-90's records ( cause we all know he would be just buried by diehards because of his vocals). What's left?? 99,breakout and soul are known by 4 people, it would make those 1k people in the arena happy but leave unsatisfied casuals,it can't bè the solution( might be for a night, what about the next one?)... What i'm trying to say is that the songs that he can really pick to make casuals and diehards happy( want It or not but songs like sleep and wgigo can be fun at a concert) and that can bè sang(or at least not completely botched) by jbj are those 30 that are played today...he might variate 3-4 at night like u said but It won't change Pretty much anything

Originally Posted by symbeline

And Amen is known by?
Or WLOL?
Or fvcking Born To Follow which tanked everywhere and unlike Everyday (that was somewhat popular) he's hellbent on TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN
Or...?

We could do this all day long.

The reasoning is, if you go to several shows, you'll get used to all the *hits* that Jon is trying to cram down everybody's throat. But if you go to several shows, you'll hear the same basic setlist almost down to a T which means you'll probably don't go to more than 2-3 shows if you where planning to do more, which will mean that you'll forget about those songs nobody cares about because they are frankly shit songs. Same would happen if he sang King Of The Mountain. You either know it and enjoy it, don't know it but like it or ignore it. To an average casual fan Amen is as rare as King Of The Mountain so the reasoning behind why so many songs are not being played is simply a lie.

Do you honestly think that people are listening to Amen and saying damn I want more of this??


PS: I posted before I saw your reply, this rant is not against you but against defending their bullshit

Originally Posted by manarosi

Those marked Red Just confirm my point, After HAND bj has been Pretty much irrevelant, so he can't pick big hits After HAND because there has been none,but at the same time he can't pick from 80's-90's records ( cause we all know he would be just buried by diehards because of his vocals). What's left?? 99,breakout and soul are known by 4 people, it would make those 1k people in the arena happy but leave unsatisfied casuals,it can't bè the solution( might be for a night, what about the next one?)... What i'm trying to say is that the songs that he can really pick to make casuals and diehards happy( want It or not but songs like sleep and wgigo can be fun at a concert) and that can bè sang(or at least not completely botched) by jbj are those 30 that are played today...he might variate 3-4 at night like u said but It won't change Pretty much anything

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Get where you're coming from but I disagree. If he's conditioning fans to like the songs he does by playing the non hits tour after tour after tour then sure. But there are album cuts not being played. Joe Q doesn't know Whole Lot of Leaving. Big fan Does. Whole lot of Leaving gets played for 10 years and Big Fan leaves. Joe Q probably won't see them again, Big Fan would. Swap out Whole Lot with another album cut and the people who have gone again and again are happy, the public doesn't know better and no one is walking away going "Jeez, really expected WLOL I'm bummed out". Taking those songs out of rotation won't have 1/10th the same reaction as dropping Bad Medicine.

You can't honestly tell me with a straight face vocal troubles are the reason he doesn't sing Novocaine, Everybody's Broken, Mystery Train etc. We're not asking for rare songs, we're talking about different songs.

Originally Posted by manarosi

You've got a point but they can't afford the risk! Rock isn't "trendy" anymore, if they swap songs with some that people don't know the next time Joe Q anyways is not there, but even rosa g won't bè there because everything She wants is to see jbj and to sing along with him songs She knows already...people going nowadays is the same as 10 years ago...It can work if u rotate 2-3 songs but idk if the situation might change...a way to get in a lot of a different songs might be doing an acoustic show/tour but then again Joe Q would go there only once...i think they are in a bad bad situation where (from a business prospective) playing It safe is good for them...they don't have the ability anymore to gather new fans or have a generational change...(aviici was such an opportunity back in the data)

Originally Posted by manarosi

Those marked Red Just confirm my point, After HAND bj has been Pretty much irrevelant, so he can't pick big hits After HAND because there has been none,but at the same time he can't pick from 80's-90's records ( cause we all know he would be just buried by diehards because of his vocals). What's left?? 99,breakout and soul are known by 4 people, it would make those 1k people in the arena happy but leave unsatisfied casuals,it can't bè the solution( might be for a night, what about the next one?)... What i'm trying to say is that the songs that he can really pick to make casuals and diehards happy( want It or not but songs like sleep and wgigo can be fun at a concert) and that can bè sang(or at least not completely botched) by jbj are those 30 that are played today...he might variate 3-4 at night like u said but It won't change Pretty much anything