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Originally Posted by Supersonic
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Manarosi, you twist your argument as you see fit. It's hard to debate things when you switch your point of view from one way to the other. Plenty of points you try to make, make me wonder if you've actually seen shows in America, or if you've even seen shows yourself as your judgement towards the way an audience reacts to certain songs is off.
On this board there's I'd say just about 10 people who can tell you the last time a certain song was played. If you honestly believe a casual fan remembers the songs he's heard in concert he hasn't heard before you're delusional. Your average fan can barely remember what hits were played, all he remembers is how "he knew many songs". Hence the argument how the songs your average fan doesn't know can be exchanged for pretty much everything. A song like God Bless This Mess is just as interesting as a song like Lost Highway; Neither one is known by the masses and thus can be exchanged for anything. An average fan will always prefer a hit over something he doesn't know though.
If a song like Wild In The Streets or Raise Your Hands didn't cause a piss break 15 years ago why would a song like 99 In the Shade do so nowadays? During the 3 opening shows I saw at Giants in 2010 the ones without the massive bathroom exodus was the one without Lost Highway and Whole Lot Of Leavin'. By your logic the average fans have gotten used to the songs nowadays, yet 8 years later it's still causing the same massive piss break. In 2010 however, during 1 show the songs were exchanged for stuff like Just Older and In These Arms and people stayed in their seats. But, by your arguments, mixing it up this way wouldn't work because people still prefer the other stuff to take a piss break? The shows in America I saw with the best crowds were the ones with the better setlists as well.
Further on, especially in America, the eighties stuff works incredibly well over there. While in the rest of the world their career really took off in the nineties and people go see Bon Jovi play anything, in America a lot of people go see Bon Jovi to hear the eighties stuff. It's a gimmick, a fad people want to relive for nostalgic reasons. Anything afterwards is irrelevant unless it's a ballad, a hit, or a party song. Hence stuff like We Weren't Born To Follow not working and a song like I'll Sleep When I'm Dead does. A lot of fans over there, and I'm not talking about the die hards, either just want to punch their fist in the air during the eighties stuff or hold their partner during the ballads. And then take a piss during the songs that falls out of the category.
Again, right now, Jon butchers anything they're playing. I'd say a die hard who's still going would rather hear him butcher a song like Breakout than hear the band go through Whole Lot Of Leavin' for the umpteenth time.
I don't think Bon Jovi will ever have a problem playing Madison Square Garden. Their fanbase over there is huge as New Jersey is quite close and they're a pretty big band around that area. It's the rest of the U.S.A. that's slowly losing interest.
Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
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i'm italian, i've been to udine,chicago 2011 and milan 2013 so yes, i've been to some concert, i'm certainly not somebody who's seen 20000 shows live but i don't think that relates to this argument tbh.
i don't really like tbh the tone you are using but let's forget about it.
do you really think that these days there are many fans going FOR THE FIRST TIME to a bj concert??
first of all, today's crowd is different to 15 years ago crowd, you can't simply compare them and neither you can compare a bj concert of 15 years ago to a 2018 one.
second of all you are comparing two rock/fun songs with 2 semi-country songs, can't compare them too 'cause they have a different role during a concert( you can't have a full rocky concert neither a full country one, you have to balance them), and we're talking about songs that have been out since 11 years, not 3 like in 2010, maybe them should be a little bit more known now than in 2010 since those have been overplayed don't you think?
third, i didn't say that those aren't piss break songs, what i'm trying to say is that if he replaces those songs with songs that nobody knows that's pretty useless don't you think? call it lazyness, whatever you like but frankly that's it. it would benefit only the "diehards" but then again they would just bury jon for the performance.
fourth, as i already said, why should they play 80's songs that are UNSUSTAINABLE for jon and that can only damage them? i think you're aware of what could become this forum if hey god it's played and butchered by jon, imagine if everybody realizes the situation what a bad bad situation would be for bj.
fifth, how many diehards do you think are going nowadays?
let me repeat this for like the 4th time, i'm not trying to defend them, i'm not paid from them (sadly) and i'm not some troll like somebody else is, i've told u what concert i've been too, u should know the setlist of those concert so how can i like this situation?? what i'm trying to figure out here is that MAYBE the setlist is not the first thing to worry about...when i'd hear an entire concert with THIS seltist that sounded at least decent then i'll worry about the setlist..otherwise we should really really be grateful that this circus is still going on and that most of the people don't care about the actual problems...then it would be the end (KISS anyone?)