[JerseyboyUK]

Originally Posted by nickolai

The place hasn't changed much. Its still a shit hole, except the bull ring is now decent.

The city is fantastic and has changed loads over the past few years, so I don't really think you know what you are talking about. And whilst The Bullring is just a generic large shopping centre, I can't fault what it has done for the city.

Biggest shithole on the tour?? Manchester, without a doubt. Vile place.

[KeepTheFaith2211]

Originally Posted by JerseyboyUK

The city is fantastic and has changed loads over the past few years, so I don't really think you know what you are talking about. And whilst The Bullring is just a generic large shopping centre, I can't fault what it has done for the city.

Biggest shithole on the tour?? Manchester, without a doubt. Vile place.

Go to sunderland. I dare you.

[WildBilly]

Originally Posted by JerseyboyUK

The city is fantastic and has changed loads over the past few years, so I don't really think you know what you are talking about. And whilst The Bullring is just a generic large shopping centre, I can't fault what it has done for the city.

Biggest shithole on the tour?? Manchester, without a doubt. Vile place.

Absolutely nothing wrong with Manchester. Eastlands isn't too bad really.

Witton/Aston is a pretty dire part of the country, I must say.

In terms of shit holes, Bon Jovi have avoided Wolverhampton since the Bounce tour - enough said!

Hi everyone, by the way.

[KeepTheFaith2211]

I hope everyone going gets a horrible set based on today's events. ****ing fuming, I am.

[Walleris]

Originally Posted by KeepTheFaith2211

I hope everyone going gets a horrible set based on today's events. ****ing fuming, I am.

Nope, it only happens to the shows you attend. The rest of European sets are great.

[KeepTheFaith2211]

Originally Posted by Walleris

Nope, it only happens to the shows you attend. The rest of European sets are great.

I've never seen Bon Jovi?

[nickolai]

Originally Posted by JerseyboyUK

The city is fantastic and has changed loads over the past few years, so I don't really think you know what you are talking about. And whilst The Bullring is just a generic large shopping centre, I can't fault what it has done for the city.

Biggest shithole on the tour?? Manchester, without a doubt. Vile place.

Listen, I was born and bred in the city of Birmingham so that qualifies me to know what I'm talking about. Spending most of my life in the city of Birmingham - yeah the place has changed. A bit. Not much. The Bull Ring now is just a modernised version of what it was back then. Yes, its spick and span, shiny and new. Granted. But how has the city improved? Not much. The Bull Ring, as amazing as it is has infact had a negative effect on the rest of the city centre. I remember the Pallisades used to be a booming shopping centre, New Street used to be so so busy with shoppers, Corporation Street with alternative shops. Now the for-mentioned streets are desolate. Its shocking. £1 shops barely managing to stay open because the Bull Ring has sucked everything out of the city. Restaurants, cafe's, shops.

You are not qualified to say Manchester is a shit hole either - i spend a bit of time over there now I'm in Liverpool and the place is fantastic. Birmingham is only the 2nd City by name - Manchester is the true 2nd City.

Birmingham needs to look at Liverpool as a model for city redevelopment. One of the most economically deprived cities in England thanks to Maggie (i'll get onto that on the Maggie post in a bit). Now look at it. The place is unrecognisably transformed. And its always booming in every corner if the city. No street is desolate in the main centre even after Liverpool One was built. Liverpool One being a new shopping complex in the City Centre.

Birmingham has a long way to go. Birmingham is on my passport, but im being realistic. It needs work.

[Bounce7800]

I love the fact that instead of standing up for his city, Nickolai is arguing how shit it is That's how we roll in the UK! You want shit, come to Barking, that'll have you running back to the bullring in no time!

As it happens the 2 places being mentioned, Liverpool & Birmingham, are 2 of my favourite places that I've ended up on nights out, although Liverpool is way ahead in that respect, some of it was an absolute dump, way worse than anywhere else when I last went a few years ago. However, the clunge in Allerton was out of this world....

[nickolai]

Originally Posted by Bounce7800

I love the fact that instead of standing up for his city, Nickolai is arguing how shit it is That's how we roll in the UK! You want shit, come to Barking, that'll have you running back to the bullring in no time!

As it happens the 2 places being mentioned, Liverpool & Birmingham, are 2 of my favourite places that I've ended up on nights out, although Liverpool is way ahead in that respect, some of it was an absolute dump, way worse than anywhere else when I last went a few years ago. However, the clunge in Allerton was out of this world....

Allerton Road is a good night out. I live about 15 minutes walk from there. I have a mate in Barking & have been there many a time. There are some awful bits like the high rises off the north circular, but he is from the posh bit, between the bus depot and Upney.

[Bounce7800]

The only good bit of Barking! I went to Allerton Rd for the National a few years back and I almost cried and how amazing all the women were in that pub. Shame work stopped sending me up there

Looking forward to this Villa show, at least the drive back to my base in Nottingham won't be as far as Manc is, I've definitely underestimated that one!