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Old 07-02-2003, 10:31 PM
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About the money issue....

Well I save up, every week like 5 euro's and it works.... I start again ride away so next time I can do more.....
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Old 07-02-2003, 11:24 PM
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You opted to spend your money. You bought something. You didn't like what you got. Don't buy it again. How difficult is that equation? You got a great concert... just NOT the concert YOU DEEM YOURSELF TO BE OWED BY THE BAND IN RETURN FOR ALL THE TIME/MONEY YOU PERSONALLY CHOOSE TO SPEND ON THE BAND. And that's their fault because.... ?
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Old 07-03-2003, 12:00 AM
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Derek - he didn't get a great concert

use your own advice...

you're always saying people who aren't at a show can't put it down... well the same applies for saying how great it was

i saw only 3 shows this tour and wolverhampton was not a great show at all
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Old 07-03-2003, 12:42 AM
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You opted to spend your money. You bought something. You didn't like what you got. Don't buy it again.
I won't in the way I did this tour....

Problem is, seeing Bon Jovi is a risk, not all bands are. I hope to see the band like they were in Milton Keynes, or Main Road, that's why I spend the money, because I know how they can be. The fact is I saw two gigs where they were well under par. Whether or not I see them again doesn't matter, I spent a hell of a lot of money this time and didn't get what a Bon Jovi concert should/has been.


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How difficult is that equation?

it's not an equation gimpboy! What you said makes no sence.... Firstly a concert of course isn't a set thing, you can't guarentee anything, and from what I've heard about Hyde Park they more than delivered. HOWEVER, with Bon Jovi there are expectations about the band, and it's expectations that sells the tickets. For instance I'm seeing Yes next week, if I don't see a long show (2h30-3h) with long instrumentals, great musical peformances I'll be disapointed, because this is what this band does. Bon Jovi didn't do at Wolves or Manchester what the band name promises to be. So I would go to see them again, because I know they can still be worth seeing, even though this isn't a consistant thing. Although somebody who's spent money inconsistanceys aren't right, but that's not something I can change, but that doesn't make it any easier to accept I've spent so much money on two events that I would have not missed out on anything had I not been there (except for the company)


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You got a great concert... just NOT the concert YOU DEEM YOURSELF TO BE OWED BY THE BAND IN RETURN FOR ALL THE TIME/MONEY YOU PERSONALLY CHOOSE TO SPEND ON THE BAND.
It wasn't a great concert. Great is subjective, so "I" didn't get a great concert. However lots of people who have been to BJ shows in the past, and on this tour have said the show was nothing special. So it's not just me. Yes I chose to spend my money on it.... What if you go on holiday and when you get there it's a building site, and you get food poisoning? You chose to be there, you spent the money on it, should you therefore not complane???? Should you just be happy with it????

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And that's their fault because.... ?
Because they didn't deliver... They're the ones who are in controle of their own show, they can make it great, or average, nobody else
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Old 07-03-2003, 08:21 PM
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They didn't deliver to the level that YOU demanded or expected.. but to many other people, in your own admission, they did. So this makes it your opinion, not fact. That's the only thing.. it's your opinion. You went to the show. You have the right to your opinion. But you have to accept that it is not the only opinion on that show, that you don't speak for everyone (diehards or casual fans) and that because you believe it doesn't make it fact. And honestly, all animosity aside, I'd find it hard to believe all of your comments not because you didn't earn them but when so much of the previous postings were SO negative, there's a prejudicial precedent that's been sent. You're absolutely, 100% entitled to your opinion... it just isn't the only one.
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They didn't deliver to the level that YOU demanded or expected.. but to many other people, in your own admission, they did. So this makes it your opinion, not fact. That's the only thing.. it's your opinion. You went to the show. You have the right to your opinion. But you have to accept that it is not the only opinion on that show, that you don't speak for everyone (diehards or casual fans) and that because you believe it doesn't make it fact.
ok we find this problem with the less able minded people on this board, I sometimes forget I need to s.t.b.o... STATE THE BLOODY OBVIOUS. How can what I think of a show be a fact, of course it's my opinion, just because I don't say "It is my opinion that" infront of everything that I write doesn't mean I believe what I say to be true... "the show was not very good". That's not a fact, it's an opinion, and it was never expected to be taken as anything but an opinion.

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And honestly, all animosity aside, I'd find it hard to believe all of your comments not because you didn't earn them but when so much of the previous postings were SO negative,
What do you find so hard to understand, that I didn't think much of the shows? As I've said I think the peformance from Richie and Tico was spectacular, I think Jon was crap in Wolves, better but still not up to much in Manchester. I said this 10 mins after the show, I said it a few hours after the show, I said it on here, this is what I've always said. I'm not wholey negative about the band, as I said, I thought Runaway was as well as the band have ever played. However I didn't see a pefect show, and so I'll say what about the show wasn't right for me. In anycase, I'm not so negetive about the band, I'm just not once of those peole who holds back on what they think because it's produced by the band they love. I'm a fan of music, and so don't try to like music I'm not into.

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there's a prejudicial precedent that's been sent.
There's no prejudice at all... I'm basing what I say on what I've seen from the band in the past, what I've seen this tour, what I know they can do, and what other bands are doing. Prejudice is the type of fan who goes having seen only one concert before, who knows before hand they'll love it, and will just love it no matter what they play. They expect so much for it to be great they're not actually listening to the concert. Also, I've seen so many bands, if I don't get something special I'm going to be disapointed, I'm so used to seeing special music.

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You're absolutely, 100% entitled to your opinion... it just isn't the only one.
when have I ever said otherwise.... I'm going to discuss and argue my opinion though, because as with anybody who has an opinion, you think your 'right'. If I thought somebody else was 'right', then I'd share their opinion. Of course there is no right or wrong, just what's right for the individual.

However, my opinions have been reflected by others, so it's not just me out on my own, and my opinions are reflective of some fans, not all, but a lot of the die hards have similar ideas to me I know just from here and talking to people in person. So although I'm not speaking for anybody but myself, however people are agreeing with me, so what I'm thinking is what others are thinkng.
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:04 PM
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just to reply to the original topic of this post..!!!

I have now seen 68 shows and will have seen 72 after Giants.
Yes, I admit some are better than others, some are ok, some blow you away, that's the chance you take when you choose which shows you can go to. But I would never wish that I hadn't gone to one just because it wasn't up to par! Every show has it's highlights in one way or another, and some have several. My best freind is up to 174 shows and she still enjoys
each one as it were her first, as I do!
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Thank you, Donna. You got the right attitude. It's your choice to go to the shows and some you'll prefer over others but it's your choice and there are experiences you have at the shows that determine the memory you have, far beyond the set list and length of show. I dare anyone in Dublin in 2000 not to talk about how amazing a night it was due to the massive rain and thunder and incredible lightening... all these things together create the experience.

Mike - just because you state your opinion and others agree with you, still doesn't mean your opinion is any closer to being the truth. It's still your opinion, but you've found fellow fans at this site who agree with you with whom you can commiserate. No one's saying you are the ONLY one with this opinion, certainly not on DryCounty, but your experience was not the same one that most of the other people at massive stadium shows had. So your perspective as a diehard who goees to many shows will make you judge it differently than the casual fan who saw their first Bon Jovi concert. And there's no reason to believe that that person's experience/opinion of the show is any less valuable. If they loved everything about it, are you quick to presume they're a "Backstager" who loves everything the band does? Be careful or folks at this site might be labelled as "DryCounty-ers" who hate everything the band does!
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I have now seen 68 shows and will have seen 72 after Giants.
Green with envy!!! *sigh*
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I have now seen 68 shows and will have seen 72 after Giants.
My best freind is up to 174 shows and she still enjoys each one as it were her first, as I do!
I suppose I'm not as easily pleased then as you girls are... Cause after seeing only 34 shows in total (+ 3 Jon solo shows), I have now began to wonder, for the first time ever, whether it's really worth all that money, time and effort to go and listen to the same basic set list over and over and over and over again, on the next tour. I've been to enough shows to know that of course every show is different, even though the set list would be almost the same... Yet when I think about all the great songs the band COULD have in their set list, if they bothered to practice them and especially if Jon bothered to learn the lyrics, I somehow can't help letting out a deep sigh when the band breaks into the umpteenth performance of I Got The Girl/ Saturday Nite/ Captain Crash/ Everyday/ Misunderstood/etc. Even (shock, horror, terror) KTF almost makes me yawn these days...that is, until they reach the "I've been walking in the footsteps of society's lies" part, where you never know what Jon will do next. That's absolutely the best part of the song, everything else about it is basically the same old same old nowadays.

Of course, if it takes a year or two or three before the band is touring in Europe again, I will undoubtedly feel different by the time the tics will go on sale, and rush to buy whatever tickets I can. But if you were to ask me now, would I rather have gone to all the 5 shows I did or just to the Munich show, or maybe the Munich and Kiel shows, I wouldn't even hesitate in my answer -- I would choose Munich (and Kiel) any day over the 5 shows I actually saw. Both of those shows were SO much closer to what I would like Bon Jovi shows to be than any of the UK shows combined, apart from HP which was admittedly very special.
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