Why don't they play so many great songs?

Bad example, yes I know. I do believe that jovi used to listen to their fans back during the 80' and the early 90'... they don't do that anymore.

That's just the silly backstagers unable to hear anything critical against the band.

I'd say it's a combination of all three. Firstly I should say that although there is room for improvment in all aspects of the live shows, I'd still wanna see Bon Jovi over anybody else and I have yet to see anybody who can touch them in a live enviorment. I also don't think their set-lists are that bad. As I said, there's room for improvment but on balance I think Jon dose a good job. Going on the last tour, they had a nice balance of new songs, classics and rarely played songs. Always, I Believe, Diamond Ring, Damned and In These Arms all made reappearences. And think about it from his perspective. He's gotta please current fans by playing new stuff (which they'd obviously wanna do anyway). For the one offers, he'd have to include the classic hits and then they usually throw in a few rarer songs for the longtimers. He's kinda damned no matter what he dose though. If he were to drop alot of the boring classics and do much rarer stuff, the one-offers will go away pissed. If he dose too much new stuff, the mulleters will be pissed and when he tries to please all, people always find something to moan about.

In saying that though, why aren't the shows as good as they could be? Obviously they don't care ENOUGH. I'm not saying they don't care, they obviously do want to please people otherwise why would they play for so long? But if they were really committed to being the best in the world Jon would quit smoking, atleast while on tour, so his voice would be in good shape and he could sing some of the higher songs. They'd rehearse longer to get the rarer songs right, and figure out new ways to play songs that are too high for Jon now. And by hearsing longer, they could tighten up and discover new ways to make things more exciting.

To classify it as "lazy ****ers who just don't care" is not only incredibley ungrateful, it's just down right stupid. Like I said above, if they really were lazy ****ers who don't care, why are they spending this full week rehearsing? Why are they gonna go out on the road and play 2 and half hours and more every night? It sure as hell isn't for the money.



Phil

Are you sure of this phil?

I would definitely do it if I'd make that kind of money they do touring.

I'm not saying they don't do it to make money, obviously they wouldn't work that hard to lose money but they sure as hell don't need any more money, and if they do, they don't need to tour to get it. So it's not a case of, "ah **** it, I don't care about this anymore, lets just go out there, play for 90 minutes, do it as easy as possible and make as much money as we can." That would make them lazy ****ers who just don't care. But obviously that's not the case.



Phil

Forgot to mention that I go the information from Mousebounce's thread about the listening party which can be found here:

http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/sh...5&highlight=40.

I've highlighed the question number

Boogaboo

Makes you sick, doesn't it!

Because they have 5 or 6 songs from HAND that they've never "toured" before. I doubt they're rehearsing Bad Medecine or Sleep or seeking a new kick ass and "singable" version of These Days. That is lazy. It's easy and safe for them. It seems they don't see the challenge a live show represents anymore since the crowd will follow anyway.

Then why is the Montreal ticket twice the price it was for System of a Down, i.e.? Same arena, same show length, kick ass act.

Ponrauil

Well since you've no idea what they're doing, it's completely ridiculous to make a judgement so soon. A week is a long time for Bon Jovi to rehearse so with two new musicans coming in, who's to say they're not figuring out new, cool things.

System of a down are nowhere near as big a band as Bon Jovi and the tickets could easily be twice the price if they so wished.


Phil

Well yes I am speculating but the fact they've always played their classics in the same way for almost 20 years tends to make my bet a safe one.

Well in my definition of "big" when it comes to bands and their live shows, two bands selling out the same arena are as big as one another.
Ok, so SOAD hasn't got an as big catalogue, but they sell their albums by millions too, and they went to n°1 with their last two albums (Toxicity and Mesmerize) which BJ failed to do.
So tell me how in today's music world BJ are "bigger" than SOAD.

Ponrauil

Their name is bigger. And that's whats counts.. it's just like the stones.