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Old 05-04-2013, 07:16 PM
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No offense, but you're seeing things from a rather ignorant general public's perspective. When digging into these things there are a lot financial details you're ignoring or are just not aware of. Yes, to the outsider it might come across as upright, but down the line every decision has been made based upon what damage it'd do to him financially, from that "free" show to Richie being absent. Jon Bon Jovi and integrity no longer go hand in hand, and I'd say this ****ing debacle has been perfect proof of it. No communication, a sworn secrecy in regards to Richie Sambora, no refunds from the fanclub unless fans cause a shitstorm, the list is endless.

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I'm not ignorant at all, and of course decisions have been made due to possible financial impact. Bon Jovi isn't the Soul Kitchen - it's not a charity. That being said they could easily have gotten away with not offering refunds - if the show goes ahead the ticket would be valid no matter what shitstorm the fans caused, and you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I work in an industry where things change last minute all the time, and it's very much a case of as per the terms and conditions, you're shit out of luck.
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I'm not ignorant at all, and of course decisions have been made due to possible financial impact. Bon Jovi isn't the Soul Kitchen - it's not a charity. That being said they could easily have gotten away with not offering refunds - if the show goes ahead the ticket would be valid no matter what shitstorm the fans caused, and you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I work in an industry where things change last minute all the time, and it's very much a case of as per the terms and conditions, you're shit out of luck.
I'm sorry, I should've made myself clearer in regards to the ignorant point of view, I just meant that in regards to the free show and Jon not talking about Richie.

In regards to the refund thing...You don't know what went on behind the scenes. Sure, Jon could've said they'd go on with the show, but down the line the refunds announcement only came once fans started harassing the shit out of Matt on Twitter, and I know Eventim (German promoter) has been contacted several times in regards to a refund. If you only change your mind once you find out fans aren't as open to accepting a replacement and wind up with your back against the wall in regards to the support you "need", how upright are you really?

An artist with integrity would've canceled or postponed like most big bands would do if one of their key members is down. They'd contact the fanbase, give them a clear update, make refunds available if wanted and then move on to planning things the other way around. I know that's how the Stones handled it as soon as Keith or Mick was out, and I don't really feel Mick's got much integrity either.

The fact is that members of the fanclub are still in the dark in regards to a refund, or actually have to show up at a venue to get their money back kind of shows how little Jon thinks of his own fans.

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Who are you to tell me what to do?
Since when did anyone start caring aboot what a Panda has to say? Last time I checked I never saw a panda at any Bon Jovi show. Sod off.

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Right now they're giving out refunds but only after the massive backlash it started to create online. It wouldn't surprise me if local promoters would have started knocking at their door demanding refunds after people started calling and asking for one. A lot of people nowadays see 1 concert a year, and if they don't get their money back for a show they didn't sign up for, chances are that next time they won't buy a ticket at all.

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Seb your thoughts on my take. I think the offering or not offering of refunds lies more in the promoters lap than the band, don't you? I mean if the band shows up, they will get their minimum and honor their contact whether they play to 200 or 20,000, which is the lion share of what they get paid. The promoter and venue is the one that depends more on the ticket sales. I think the promoters approved refunds now banking on that they don't think they'll be that many. Ticket sales are already soft in many of the markets so guess we'll see. As far as not rescheduling, I honestly think that comes down to a true uncertainty in regard to just when Richie will decide, yes, I said decide, to return.
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