You guys are a terrific bunch - but do you think about us?

Jag · #11 08-21-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

Here we go again.
While there are legitimate points to all of the posts, I take offense to the presumption that 'Jon's voice can't handle it' - that's bullshit.
However, now that he has trained his voice and does take better care of it, they plan their concert tours more carefully now. And that means scheduling the right number of shows in a row. Taking days off. Not killing themselves. Not going on marathon tours.
So if you choose to use this common-sense approach the band has taken to planning their touring schedules to bolster your opinion that Jon's voice is shot, so be it. But that's just convenient.
It's a catch 22.
If they don't do a massive tour, it's because they suck.
If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way it was in the 80s they will literally drop dead.
If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way they do tours now - spread out over time, they'll be away from home for 2 years. Sorry, but I'd rather see my kids grown up. These are grown men with lives and families outside the music world - it's selfish of me to want them to do nothing but tour the world to make all of us happy. It's disappointing that they miss lots of big markets.
And the money thing? Enough already.
Everytime the money issue comes up, even if it's legitimate, the whining about 'they have enough money' is tossed about 'it's all about the money.' Again, if that's the excuse you want to bolster your opinion and make you feel better about the demands and expectations you personally put upon the band, have fun. But time and time again, people have posted things about touring we don't have access to like salaries and how many people and buses and trucks and hotels and travel and building stages around the world. But it's easier to demonize the band and say they're after your money.

nothing to do with demonizing anyone.

i dont live in india anymore, but anyone who is a huge fan and doesnt get the band in their country when the band toured there b4 has a right to be miffed. im sure if i was in india i would be rather annoyed too. i guess ppl will just have to wait and see....

Derek Bliss · #12 08-21-2003, 09:27 PM

Your right Becky. I should take my own advice and realise the futile pursuit that it is.
Jon is Satan.
The band are his evildoing minions.

Becky · #13 08-21-2003, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

Your right Becky. I should take my own advice and realise the futile pursuit that it is.
Jon is Satan.
The band are his evildoing minions.

Now, was that so hard?

Becky

Mike · #14 08-21-2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

Your right Becky. I should take my own advice and realise the futile pursuit that it is.
Jon is Satan.
The band are his evildoing minions.

Eek - harsh conclusion to Mr Singh's request....

Neurotica80 · #15 08-22-2003, 09:56 AM

Im optimistic that in a few years time, (maybe on the back of another greatest hits album as they did with xroads) they'll do another world tour. Maybe they havnt done a W.Tour since 95 but they have toured 3 out of the last four years.

Heppinen · #16 08-22-2003, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

If they don't do a massive tour, it's because they suck.
If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way it was in the 80s they will literally drop dead.
If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way they do tours now - spread out over time, they'll be away from home for 2 years. Sorry, but I'd rather see my kids grown up.

How about even a minor, maybe 30 concert Asian/Pacific/South America/Africa tour? Do 10 concerts less in US and add them to other countries. This would extend tour maybe 2-3 month, not 2 years!

And about this promotional side of touring: it's futile in US. Lost market. BJ seems to be there some ancient 80's dinosaurs, that is a great live but albums are considered not worth to buy.

Neurotica80 · #17 08-22-2003, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Heppinen

And about this promotional side of touring: it's futile in US. Lost market. BJ seems to be there some ancient 80's dinosaurs, that is a great live but albums are considered not worth to buy.

Sounds like how we think of the rolling stones over here

Taija · #18 08-22-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neurotica80

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Originally Posted by Heppinen

And about this promotional side of touring: it's futile in US. Lost market. BJ seems to be there some ancient 80's dinosaurs, that is a great live but albums are considered not worth to buy.

Sounds like how we think of the rolling stones over here

This is besides the point, but that's the situation here also. Rolling Stones' opening act (ZZ Top if I remember right) had sold more records in Finland that the Stones themselves!!!

Supersonic · #19 08-22-2003, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

Here we go again.
While there are legitimate points to all of the posts, I take offense to the presumption that 'Jon's voice can't handle it' - that's bullshit.
However, now that he has trained his voice and does take better care of it, they plan their concert tours more carefully now. And that means scheduling the right number of shows in a row. Taking days off. Not killing themselves. Not going on marathon tours.
So if you choose to use this common-sense approach the band has taken to planning their touring schedules to bolster your opinion that Jon's voice is shot, so be it. But that's just convenient.

Jon's voice can't handle it. That's just true. Yes, he has trained on it, I'm sure he did and still does, but it's true that his voice can't handle it. Remember the webcast from about 2 months ago ? There were 2 shows after eachother, and we got to see the second show's encore. Anyway, they broadcasted the first show too, though they did not warn us. People who saw that show said that Jon's voice was way better then the second show.

But I'm not blaming him for it or anything, if that's the case, well, then they should plan their touring schedules so that his voice can handle it. It's nothing to be ashamed of. I'd rather have them doing that then like last time with The Stones. I was supposed to be going, but they cancelled it because of Jaggers voice.

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

If they don't do a massive tour, it's because they suck.
If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way it was in the 80s they will literally drop dead.
If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way they do tours now - spread out over time, they'll be away from home for 2 years. Sorry, but I'd rather see my kids grown up. These are grown men with lives and families outside the music world - it's selfish of me to want them to do nothing but tour the world to make all of us happy. It's disappointing that they miss lots of big markets.

Though they can take a marathon tour. Just take one or two months off between each continent they're touring. They can see their families then, and they can rest a bit and prepare for the next leg.

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

But it's easier to demonize the band and say they're after your money.

That's not what I said.

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Originally Posted by Martin2000

@ supersonic: bryan adams tours to have fun- bon jovi tours to promote themselves (i mean their albums) so that they augmaunt their fan base and so that they still can make these tours in front of 40.000- 80.000 ppl- bryan adams in opposite to that goes like "i've done it all- had my big #1's and played in front of 100.000 crowds- i'm done with that now let there just be fun" - bj still don't want to go down on their popularity level... i've seen both of them live this year and this is what i think after these shows- again- this is just an oppinion which mustn't be correct just cause i say so

I won't correct you, it's true, Bryan Adams tours mostly for fun, he enjoys it more then Bon Jovi, I'm sure about that. Bryan Adams has accepted that he will not be that populair again like in the early nineties. Maybe Bon Jovi should do the same ? Bon Jovi keeps on doing shows in the USA to promote their albums, though in the USA people go to Bon Jovi to hear the big hits, most of them don't care about Everyday and so on, you can see that in the charts etc.

They've said it themselves in a radio interview somewhere when they came to Europe. They'd rather did a big leg in the USA for about a year, and after that they'd come to Europe to give them a bigger leg. Though they never talk about Asia, South Africa etc. What makes them think that they just don't "deserve" a tour ?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Jovian · #20 08-22-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way it was in the 80s they will literally drop dead.

This is something I always keep wondering when these tour issues come up: why do people -- and obviously the band themselves too -- automatically think that there are no alternatives between the kind of tours Bon Jovi do now and the kind of tours they did in the 80s? Doing an actual world tour does NOT mean that they'd have to go back to the mad 250-show tours of the 80s, yet for some reason many people seem to think that no alternatives exist between those two.

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Originally Posted by Derek Bliss

If they do a massive tour, and it's done the way they do tours now - spread out over time, they'll be away from home for 2 years. Sorry, but I'd rather see my kids grown up.

No they wouldn't. They wouldn't need to be away from home any more than what they were during the Bounce Tour, for example. Like Supersonic said, they could simply go on tour for maybe 4-6 weeks to do one leg of the tour, then go home for a few weeks or a month, then go back on the road to do another leg in another place, then go back home again for a month or two, then get back on the road for yet another leg in another part of the world, and so on and so forth.

I don't know why the guys are doing the kind of tours they're doing now, but I do think that there would be various other alternatives for them too, if they actually cared to explore their options. Where there is a will, there is a way. But if there is no will...I suppose they can keep on playing just to the American, Japanese, German and British fans.

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