You guys are a terrific bunch - but do you think about us?

Ermm... Its pretty obvious.

From a business perspective - Bon Jovi r the product that is sold to customers by the record companies.

This is how I believe the tour has been arranged:

There r 4 types of products (I forget the name of this theory):
1. Star
2. Question Mark
3. Cash Cow
4. Dog

Whereby - Star is a new product in a small but rapidly growing market & hence has loads of potential.

A Question Mark is a product that is in a market whereby it is uncertain which way the market will go.

A Cash Cow (Which is what I believe Bon Jovi are to the record company) Are a product with substantial Market Share, in a market that isn't growing. Hence the strategy for such a product is to reduce costs in order to gain as much money from them as possible before they become a Dog - i.e. Falling Market share in a declining Market.

Hence why they are playing the percentages - I.e. playing in places where the setting up costs aren't astronomical, and an audience is guarenteed. There is no need to send BJ to new coutnries / continents to try & expand their market. & hence the 5 shows in germany, the 4 in the UK etc... & none in the unpredictable France & Scandinavian coutries.

At the end of the day - from the record companies perspective, the band aren't there for the ppl but there for the company & they will market them in a way whereby they maximise shareholder wealth. That is how a company measures it success. Hence they will have hired a touring agent with this in mind. That would be the objective they gave to the agent - not, this band is up and coming - we want to promote them to as many new places as possible to take advantage of the growing market - as they did during Slippery / New Jersey.

If Jon were arranging the tour - then why nothing in Australia?? Why 5 shows centered in one country & shows in the surrounding countries limited to 1 show if lucky??

Mike

i live in the north pole, why dont Bon Jovi come pay in my town?!!?!

:P

Err Jovian unless they lived in a timzone or something, your little theory about them not being away from home any longer fails. They will be away from home longer if they are going to do a longer tour, it's simple.
Instead of the tour going from say December to August, it would go from Dec to January the next year, just with breaks in between. Putting lenghty breaks inbetween legs of the tour doesn't make it shorter, in facts it makes them 'on tour' overall for a lot longer.
Somehow I can't see them doing that, and they shouldn't have to be away from their kids for that long.

There is a solution to all the touring problems: TRAVEL!!!!!!!!!!!

If they aren't playing in your area, and you REALLY want to see them, then get on a plane and go see a show. Start saving now to see them in 2005. Very simple.

What? Don't have the kind of money to do that? So it's not economically fesiable for you to do it, but the band should shell out big bucks to play for you.

There are so many factors that come into play, and I'm sure one of the big ones now is security. Speculate all you want, but seeing Bon Jovi live is a privilage, not a right.

Aloha !

This is really the most stupid post I've seen in this discussion. You live in the USA, so yeah, I'm sure there's at least one show you can go to without paying very, very much money for travelling. You might be going to concerts in Europe, but you don't need to do that to see them. People in South Africa, Asia etc do. They just want one concert, and don't want to spend more then 1500 Dollar on one concert. Travelling from country to country is much more expensive then from state to state.

Or like you people say at bonjovi.com : (I assume you're from bonjovi.com, correct me if I'm wrong) *can barely hold it's upset emotions towards this post*

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

How can it be a 'privilage' when u pay so much??

It's not a right, but if u don't please your fan base - u lose them. The fan base r complaining because they aren't receiving a service. They can do that - it sends a message to Bon Jovi that if they don't try & remedy it, they lose the fans.

Bon Jovi don't have to remedy it, but then shouldn't complain when they do lose a large portion of their fan base.

Mike

I have to agree. It is a lot easier to get around the US then it is to fly from say India to Germany.

It would only be fair in 2005 to tour some of the countries they missed this time around. They deserve to see BJ live too.

By then, it will be 10 years since the band played at all in many places. In Australia, the same amount of time since a full tour but we've been lucky to an extent to receive SOMETHING since. 10 years by then will be just under half the band's time in existence. That's a long time.

message to Mike - You have obviously done your homework on how a record co. operates. I am impressed. However, I think that Bon Jovi, being such a huge and successful band now for twenty years plus, are much more hands on than we may think. Just my thoughts!!

Anyhow, thanks for the info.

We can pontificate all we want about what we want, why the band should do it and how they can do it (because, well, it's obvious they don't have a clue on their own ) but it's just us making us rational plans to accommodate our wants and needs. It's an argument that's not going to go anywhere and it only produces more arguments: Europeans vs. Americans, everyone who did get to see shows vs. anyone who didn't, who is the bigger fan, who claims to know more about how the band should run their careers, who thinks they know more about the industry... it's a neverending argument that is not going to get settled.