[Iceman]

Brutal Planet is much too boring and serious. Alice is best when he's having fun.

My Top 10 today, in no order:

Love's a Loaded Gun
Snakebite
Hell Is Living Without You
No More Mr. Nice Guy
Bed Of Nails
Poison
I'm Eighteen
The Song That Didn't Rhyme / Love Should Never Feel Like This
I'm Your Gun
Ballad Of Dwight Fry


Ice

[Sami]

In no particular order:

Teenage Frankenstein
Life & Death of The Party
He´s Back
Poison
Bed of Nails
House of Fire (on Trash credits it´s said to be written by AC & Joan Jett if I remember, still it was one of the New Jersey outtakes... What part did I miss?)
Might As Well Be On Mars
It´s Me
Love´s A Loaded Gun
Die 4 You (is it a Motley song or was it written specifically for AC?)

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Sami

House of Fire (on Trash credits it´s said to be written by AC & Joan Jett if I remember, still it was one of the New Jersey outtakes... What part did I miss?)

You missed nothing. It was written by Child & Jett. Maybe one of the reasons it didn't make NJ.

Die 4 You (is it a Motley song or was it written specifically for AC?)

For Alice. Can't see Jim Vallance writing for Mötley Crüe.

Ice

[Sami]

Thank you Ice.

[Sami]

Originally Posted by Iceman

You missed nothing. It was written by Child & Jett. Maybe one of the reasons it didn't make NJ.

Sorry I just can´t seem to let it be just yet, it´s been bothering me for almost 20 years.

So the song wasn´t even partly written by Jon and Richie? Was it a leftover song from Jett´s Up Your Alley -sessions, then? The chorus sounds very much like Livin´On A Prayer, maybe it was DC recycling that same idea.

Anyway, Jon wouldn´t put a song on a Bon Jovi record if he wasn´t mentioned in the songwriting credits, right?

This makes me wonder, how much do we really know about the real writers of songs on albums by various artists... Lennon & McCartney shared the credits for all of their Beatles songs although a big part of the catalogue was written solely by John or Paul. In the history of popular music, I bet this sort of manipulation of the songwriting credits isn´t limited to the Beatles. Or speaking of Alice Cooper, I honestly don´t believe he wrote a single note for, let´s say, Hell Is Living Without You, yet he is listed as a co-writer.

We don´t really know that much about Child´s (or some other hired songwriter´s as well) role in Bon Jovi´s songwriting process. Jon said Desmond added the pre-chorus to Livin´On A Prayer. Same thing with Bad Medicine, which was supposedly already finished by the time Jon played it to Desmond. Yet it´s quite obvious Bad Name was Child´s retry of an idea that didn´t work too well on that Bonnie Tyler song. By the time I´ll Be There For You topped the US Chart Jon said he was particularly proud of that because it was their first number one hit without a songwriter from outside of the band. -So it has to mean a great deal to him. Or speaking of It´s My Life, Jon said he wrote it with Richie but since Max Martin happened to be present in the same room, he got a third of the song.

I guess we´ll never know.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Sami

So the song wasn´t even partly written by Jon and Richie?

No, why would it be?

Was it a leftover song from Jett´s Up Your Alley -sessions, then? The chorus sounds very much like Livin´On A Prayer, maybe it was DC recycling that same idea.

No idea when it was written, but professional writers write all the time, not just in "sessions" for albums. Like Bon Jovi wrote for other people (Loverboy, Cher...) that's all Desmond does.

Anyway, Jon wouldn´t put a song on a Bon Jovi record if he wasn´t mentioned in the songwriting credits, right?

Probably not. I'm sure that if HOF would've been on NJ, it would've had Jons name on it.

This makes me wonder, how much do we really know about the real writers of songs on albums by various artists... Lennon & McCartney shared the credits for all of their Beatles songs although a big part of the catalogue was written solely by John or Paul. In the history of popular music, I bet this sort of manipulation of the songwriting credits isn´t limited to the Beatles. Or speaking of Alice Cooper, I honestly don´t believe he wrote a single note for, let´s say, Hell Is Living Without You, yet he is listed as a co-writer.

Yeah, that's true. And it's the same with Bon Jovi as well. Jon puts his name on everything, even if someone else wrote the whole damn thing. I'll Be There For You is Richie's song as is Never Say Goodbye. Maybe Jon added some lyrics, but from what I've heard, they're both completely Richie's songs.

Mutt Lange wrote Love Bites for Leppard, but they all have credits on it.

We don´t really know that much about Child´s (or some other hired songwriter´s as well) role in Bon Jovi´s songwriting process.

Well, no one apart from the guys themselves know.

Or speaking of It´s My Life, Jon said he wrote it with Richie but since Max Martin happened to be present in the same room, he got a third of the song.

That I will never believe. It's My Life is a "rock" version of Max Martins hits at the time. It has the same exact formula as all his Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys hits. The giveaway is the "other" chorus at the end of the song, almost the same, but not quite. It's in every Max Martin song.

I guess we´ll never know.

No, but we can always speculate.

Ice

[Sami]

Ice thank you for taking the time to write it down. I find this extremely interesting

Yes I suppose Jon has a habit of putting his name in the songwriting credits of all Bon Jovi songs. I sort of knew the thing with I´ll Be There For You but Never Say Goodbye being Richie´s song was new information to me. I suppose there are others like this as well, apart from These Days and the ballads mentioned above ?

Or All About Lovin You, for instance. Jon was never eager to perform it. It may well be a song completely written by the professional hired hands... I´m sure there are lots of others, too. And I agree with you on the Max Martin thing, it´s quite obvious.

Like you said, we can always speculate

[Goldsausage]

Why would Alice not have written Hell Is Living Without You?

It sounds more like Alice to me than Jon and Richie to be honest :/

[Panda]

going to Alice Cooper on the 29th of April! Rob Zombie is supporting as well. only know one song by him though.

[Goldsausage]

Originally Posted by Bang A Drum

going to Alice Cooper on the 29th of April! Rob Zombie is supporting as well. only know one song by him though.

He's not supporting, they're both headlining.