[Martin]

just bought ticks for the double feature on wed. 21! goin with some friends- and it's gonna e great- can't wait!!

[XRds1Bnce16]

Originally Posted by mreto

probably you will all disagree, but i think Tarantino is ways overrated.

should have been one movie anyway. there are other movies that are as long as the two together, so i don't understand why the studio wanted Tarantiono to split it in 2 pieces. probably because they knew that the people are gonna see it anyway (because of the name "Tarantino"), whether it is one film or two. so they just did the calculation *2 ....

I've always stuck by the theory that the movie would have been rated NC-17 if it would have been released all together. The first part alone had to be submitted to the rating board more than once because the board was split between R and NC-17 (hence the final scene being shown in black and white...to quote Tarantino, "It's not that Americans have a problem with blood, they just have a problem with the color red".) I think the cumulative graphic violence in the movie would have earned it a rating worse than R which makes a film extremely hard to market (if we all recall the situation with the cumulative violence in The Transporter which almost got it an R rating, causing for the removal of much of the violent content which can only be seen on the deleted scenes feature on the DVD). I don't think Tarantino intended to split it at all, since there are scenes from Volume 2 in the trailer for Volume 1. But I also think he doesn't want everyone to know that the movie should be rated NC-17, and not R, so the front of splitting it into two parts to make it more interesting works just fine.

This is, of course, just my theory, but it makes pretty good sense to me.

It doesn't matter to me. It's just annoying to have to wait for Volume 2 to be released on DVD after having Volume 1 for a long time.

[tawtami]

i havent seen the first one yet.... but i think we're going to see the 2nd part on friday so it looks like im renting it

[Thomas Anderson]

I watched it earlier today, and must say it wasn't anything like I expected. It was good, but nothing like part 1. It seemed like a totally different movie instead of just the 2nd half of the first one, which I expected it to be.

I didn't like the way the first movie was edited, with the flashbacks and the anime sequence, but part 2 is put together much better, with the flashbacks being less random and much simpler. The fight sequences aren't as big or long as in the original, and this is partially why I didn't like it as much. This is more story driven, with more explanation of why she wants to Kill Bill instead of just killing people for vengeance.

I suppose it's a must see for anyone who saw the first just because you need to see the way it plays out, but don't be suprised when you see how different it is...and I didn't like the ending either by the way. Predictable I suppose, but the fight scene with Bill wasn't long enough for me, could have been much longer and stronger.

I will be waiting for the double DVD boxset and buying it from Japan, where I believe it was uncut, so no black and white sequences (which were only included to keep the BBFC happy, so as not to show enough red fake blood....stupid damn ratings board)

[Edwin]

The pregnancy test was a classic Tarantino scene!

[MoosieFate]

It's so fcking great! Tarantino is one of my few inspirations, and this movies is exactly why. Like the first one, the style is just as unique as his name. He has a great stlye, which very much disconnects his movies from others, which is why i think some people don't understand it; Because it's so different, and you have to have some sort of knowledge of Tarantino's voice and style.

I loved the first one, but the second one surpasses it greatly; the story evolves so much more, and Vol 2 couldn't have been more beautifully shot, especially the scene with only the flashlight for lighting...god damn beautiful scene. And the whitewash used for scenes couldn't have been more appropriate. He uses his great editing to create suspense, much like in his other films. It's just so fcking beautiful! I can't get over it. The camera shots, the editing, the coloring, the acting, the writing, and the sound effects (especially just before the flashlight scene), make this film on the top of my favorites list...Resevoir Dogs is now knocked to #2 (now i'm gonna have to change my Dogs sig to Kill Bill) :P There's no denying it, for me, that Quentin Tarantino is one of the greatest filmmakers in history...but that's my opinion

[Martin]

i prefer vol 2. to vol 1.- vol 1 has actually no story- it's just (unbelievably great) fighting- one can argue that all the story was held back for vol 2.... the dialogues in vol 2 are great although the translators did an even worse job as they did in vol 1. - the german translations are sometimes really poor... the last fighting scene with bill is really too short and the only thing i really want to critisize is the totally un-tarantino trash ending- but he said in an interview with an austrian radio station "after all she's been through i wanted to see her happy in the end" and he also announced a vol 3 in about 15 years "cause nikki also deserves her revenge" but i think this is rather a joke
the absolute peak in the movie for me are the pei mei scenes- he's just incredible- and the story how elle lost her eye is just great- she really is one of the most evil character in movie history...

[Rosscoe]

Originally Posted by Edwin

The pregnancy test was a classic Tarantino scene!

Congratulations.

[Edwin]

Originally Posted by Martin2000

i prefer vol 2. to vol 1.- vol 1 has actually no story- it's just (unbelievably great) fighting- one can argue that all the story was held back for vol 2.... the dialogues in vol 2 are great although the translators did an even worse job as they did in vol 1. - the german translations are sometimes really poor... the last fighting scene with bill is really too short and the only thing i really want to critisize is the totally un-tarantino trash ending- but he said in an interview with an austrian radio station "after all she's been through i wanted to see her happy in the end" and he also announced a vol 3 in about 15 years "cause nikki also deserves her revenge" but i think this is rather a joke
the absolute peak in the movie for me are the pei mei scenes- he's just incredible- and the story how elle lost her eye is just great- she really is one of the most evil character in movie history...

That was what I found strange. The Pei Mei sequence doesn't really add anything vital. Ok, it looked cool, but did we need it to understand she can punch through wood? That other trick was a bit lame I think (the 5 finger, palm something). It's used to easily.





****SPOILER****


In fact, there was almost no action at all. The only one she killed in Vol. 2 is Bill. The bloody fight scene with the Crazy 88 in Vol. 1 was a bit over the top, but looked cool. Vol. 2 is supposed to be a western style, but she sticks with her Eastern Samourai blade.



**** END OF SPOILER ****

Other than that, the complete picture is quite good I think.

[MoosieFate]

Originally Posted by Edwin

That was what I found strange. The Pei Mei sequence doesn't really add anything vital. Ok, it looked cool, but did we need it to understand she can punch through wood? That other trick was a bit lame I think (the 5 finger, palm something). It's used to easily.

*!*!*!*! SPOLIER *!*!*!*!

I believe the Pei Mei scenes were important. It might not've been so obvious and clear to as why she has all that determination, strength and ability. That scene shows were, why, and how she has all that kick-assing ability she shows in Vol 1 -- Sure, she was a good at fighting before she was taught by Pei Mei (shown in their first duel), but not good enough to beat the Crazy 88's and everyone else.

The wood punching was very important in not only that scene, but also another. If she could punch through the wood, then she was ready and finished with her training; It's just like the old Samuri movies, where the student must overcome something, in order to signify the end of training. Whether it be snatching a fly from the masters hand, creating something quickly and presicly, getting a hit on the first try, etc.

Without the wood punching, how would the audience be able to comprehend the coffin scene? If we hadn't been shown how much time, practice, will power, and pain she had to endure during training; I think that scene wouldn't have played out believable, and it definitly wouldn't have been so dramatic as it was. .