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Old 04-29-2004, 12:25 AM
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I believe the Pei Mei scenes were important. It might not've been so obvious and clear to as why she has all that determination, strength and ability. That scene shows were, why, and how she has all that kick-assing ability she shows in Vol 1 -- Sure, she was a good at fighting before she was taught by Pei Mei (shown in their first duel), but not good enough to beat the Crazy 88's and everyone else.

The wood punching was very important in not only that scene, but also another. If she could punch through the wood, then she was ready and finished with her training; It's just like the old Samuri movies, where the student must overcome something, in order to signify the end of training. Whether it be snatching a fly from the masters hand, creating something quickly and presicly, getting a hit on the first try, etc.

Without the wood punching, how would the audience be able to comprehend the coffin scene? If we hadn't been shown how much time, practice, will power, and pain she had to endure during training; I think that scene wouldn't have played out believable, and it definitly wouldn't have been so dramatic as it was. .
Yeah, I think Volume 2 is a great example for how movies are composed. Everything has it's utility within the story, be it ever so ridiculous but Tarantino-cool, the scene and its editing in front of the chapel where Beatrix talks to Bill for example.
Pei Mei chapter explains how and why she got out of there, and it was very obvious that the 5 finger thing would be what kills Bill because the scenes where they talked about it would have been useless if it would not have come up again at the end.
Plus almost everything is a rendition to another movie. That's what's so cool about Tarantino, in my eyes, he is a film freak and no one steals so elegantly from other films like him.
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Old 04-29-2004, 03:07 AM
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*!*!*!*! SPOLIER *!*!*!*!

I believe the Pei Mei scenes were important. It might not've been so obvious and clear to as why she has all that determination, strength and ability. That scene shows were, why, and how she has all that kick-assing ability she shows in Vol 1 -- Sure, she was a good at fighting before she was taught by Pei Mei (shown in their first duel), but not good enough to beat the Crazy 88's and everyone else.

The wood punching was very important in not only that scene, but also another. If she could punch through the wood, then she was ready and finished with her training; It's just like the old Samuri movies, where the student must overcome something, in order to signify the end of training. Whether it be snatching a fly from the masters hand, creating something quickly and presicly, getting a hit on the first try, etc.

Without the wood punching, how would the audience be able to comprehend the coffin scene? If we hadn't been shown how much time, practice, will power, and pain she had to endure during training; I think that scene wouldn't have played out believable, and it definitly wouldn't have been so dramatic as it was. .
Yeah, I think Volume 2 is a great example for how movies are composed. Everything has it's utility within the story, be it ever so ridiculous but Tarantino-cool, the scene and its editing in front of the chapel where Beatrix talks to Bill for example.
Pei Mei chapter explains how and why she got out of there, and it was very obvious that the 5 finger thing would be what kills Bill because the scenes where they talked about it would have been useless if it would not have come up again at the end.
Plus almost everything is a rendition to another movie. That's what's so cool about Tarantino, in my eyes, he is a film freak and no one steals so elegantly from other films like him.
I agree.

The scene with her and Bill in front of the chapel is just so wonderful! It's edited beautifully and skillfully -- making it far more suspenseful and dramatic then if traditionally edited. It's freakin amazing.

I love Tarantino movies so much; they aren't 'hollywoodized' and aren't for a commercial audience. I read somewhere that he said that it's the most expensive b movie ever made. When he takes aspects of movies he loves, he doesn't just recreates it; he re-imagines it to his own logic and his own style. And the outcome is beautiful; especially for Vol 2 -- a fcking beautiful film, one of the best i've seen ever in my life...maybe even the best, actually. It's so dynamic, different, and stylized. It's wonderful.
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i prefer vol 2. to vol 1.- vol 1 has actually no story- it's just (unbelievably great) fighting- one can argue that all the story was held back for vol 2.... the dialogues in vol 2 are great although the translators did an even worse job as they did in vol 1. - the german translations are sometimes really poor... the last fighting scene with bill is really too short and the only thing i really want to critisize is the totally un-tarantino trash ending- but he said in an interview with an austrian radio station "after all she's been through i wanted to see her happy in the end" and he also announced a vol 3 in about 15 years "cause nikki also deserves her revenge" but i think this is rather a joke
the absolute peak in the movie for me are the pei mei scenes- he's just incredible- and the story how elle lost her eye is just great- she really is one of the most evil character in movie history...
That was what I found strange. The Pei Mei sequence doesn't really add anything vital. Ok, it looked cool, but did we need it to understand she can punch through wood? That other trick was a bit lame I think (the 5 finger, palm something). It's used to easily.




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I believe the Pei Mei scenes were important. It might not've been so obvious and clear to as why she has all that determination, strength and ability. That scene shows were, why, and how she has all that kick-assing ability she shows in Vol 1 -- Sure, she was a good at fighting before she was taught by Pei Mei (shown in their first duel), but not good enough to beat the Crazy 88's and everyone else.

The wood punching was very important in not only that scene, but also another. If she could punch through the wood, then she was ready and finished with her training; It's just like the old Samuri movies, where the student must overcome something, in order to signify the end of training. Whether it be snatching a fly from the masters hand, creating something quickly and presicly, getting a hit on the first try, etc.

Without the wood punching, how would the audience be able to comprehend the coffin scene? If we hadn't been shown how much time, practice, will power, and pain she had to endure during training; I think that scene wouldn't have played out believable, and it definitly wouldn't have been so dramatic as it was. .
That's actually a good point.
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That was what I found strange. The Pei Mei sequence doesn't really add anything vital. Ok, it looked cool, but did we need it to understand she can punch through wood? That other trick was a bit lame I think (the 5 finger, palm something). It's used to easily.
Any scene that has a dude with a beard as amazing as that is deffinately crucial to the film!!!!!!!!
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