Hey, looks like a few people care after all.
Iceman, you're correct on the radio issue yes they again compress it big time for that, and this only adds futher to the problem. But the other point about them making it louder for radio still stands true. Any prodcuer, engineer will tell you also that the more you compress it the more dynamic range you lose. If you are still in dissagreement with this i recommend check out some of these forums
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic
http://homerecording.com/bbs/index.p...c1c271ebbaa797
there are many threads about the issue amongst those that confirm this. As to whterh most people can or can't tell, well that is subjective. However many people "know" what sounds good and bad regardless of whether they can explain why or not. I will see if I can find out a specific article I was reading about this issue (the record in question was Rush Vaour Trails album being way too loud) to further back this up.
Now drum computers! LoL i forgot to come backto that in my long essay of a post earlier. Thanks for reminding me. Infact iceman, you're right in the sense that i'm nitpicking about name Drum Loops/Computers whatever but INFACT...i contest heavily that pre-recorded acoustic sounds are not used. Infact in this sort of commercial pop rock genre it is the opposite which is true. Synthesized sounds are not often used for loop creation.
For example: It's My Life, i think we all agree uses quite a hefty blend of "Real" drums and "Loops/Drum Computers". Now what they have done it used loops of real acoustic drums and effected / choped up / processed / and reversed them to make some sound quite electronic and modern. Made a loop of this and then blended it with the real Tico drum track.
Again this is a very common technique now for fattening up rhythm tracks in the pop/rock world. Check out those forums again to find examples of this. I do this myself when producing this kind of music.
What you're talking about with Synthesizd rhythm loops is something more electronic based like Radiohead late albums, and Aphex Twin. Radioheads track "The Gloaming" off of Hail To the Theif album uses electronic beeps and squelch noises in place of drums for its rhythm track.
However computers are used in both techniques but the term drum computer implies the creation of sound from a computer which in Bon Jovi's case isn't the norm. Processed Loops is more appropriate. But yea i'm nitpicking.
Being in the business for the length that they have has nothing to do with messing their sound up or not. I imagine that to comeback after These Days like they did they probably had to comprise an awful lot with the record company (rhich even refers to this in the crush dvd interviews where he talkd about people researching if BJ is still relevent aorund the world before they made crush) for them to give them the kind of promotion and backing they had for the comeback.
Sure they could have made an album with their own money and released it on their own. But not to the extent that they did iwth crush. Because lets face it not even multi-millionaires like BJ want to sink multi-millions into an album project that might fail. And to launch and promote an album takes multiples of moolah, which without the rec. company backing them would eat into the wallets. So i reckon there was some comprimise all round - even if the guys did have an opionin on the mastering etc. Lets face it I think we'd all agre the sound of the records were better when Bob Rock was at the boards - even if he did screw up metallica's career!
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And yes I agree with everyone about it being the songs not the production that makes the album. Faith had better songs simple as that I agree. However i was just pointing out things which bounce didn't have going for it aside from the songs, and why it can be a pain to listen to.
Although I stand firm on that the songs themselves had potential, and again comprimises were made.
And about me having too much time on my hands? Not likley. This is all relevent to life. Creating music is my profession and I when I'm not listening ot the music I'm listening analysing the production etc. I get paid for it
Thanks for the interest glad some people are getting something from it.
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