[nikos greece]

Originally Posted by Johny

I respect Waters and good for him that he has won it. On the other hand, I see it a bit pathetic to tour The Wall album, or call the tour The Wall. It's 32 years old. It is like if Jon would do a solo Slippery When Wet tour in 2018.

its not the same..The Wall is an album which represents so many things, has so many meanings in so many levels, so touring an album of that caliber and status in order to let the younger audiences experience it live and the older ones to relive the experience isnt nostalgia, at least in a bad-unartistic way.
an album like the wall cant be measured only by sales-singles. and if a live act is a nostalgia act or not is depending on the way the performer-artist plays his music and reacts to it, i wouldnt call it nostalgia and i m not a pink floyd fan ,i rarely listen to them. but ssw and the wall are not in the same level

[schlochty]

Originally Posted by Johny

I respect Waters and good for him that he has won it. On the other hand, I see it a bit pathetic to tour The Wall album, or call the tour The Wall. It's 32 years old. It is like if Jon would do a solo Slippery When Wet tour in 2018.

You REALLY shouldn't compare SWW with The Wall.

(btw, I'm not a massive Pink Floyd fan either)

[UKjovi]

Originally Posted by JOvisoul01

Oh no! I bet he is not. He has said that he doesn't care for this type of things, no awards displayed on his home, etc.. but then of course, when they (he) wins something, named the top one, the first one, he is most certainly mentioning it at every chance.

Those people that voted, definitely don't read Billboard, that's the only explanation, ROTFL

LOL Don't all celebs say that? Don't care until they got an award then its the best thing since sliced bread

[Crushgen24/88]

Originally Posted by schlochty

You REALLY shouldn't compare SWW with The Wall.

(btw, I'm not a massive Pink Floyd fan either)

Yeah, one's an overrated, bloated, and unenjoyable album... and the other is Slippery When Wet. (Just my opinion of course)

[Johny]

Originally Posted by nikos greece

its not the same..The Wall is an album which represents so many things, has so many meanings in so many levels, so touring an album of that caliber and status in order to let the younger audiences experience it live and the older ones to relive the experience isnt nostalgia, at least in a bad-unartistic way.
an album like the wall cant be measured only by sales-singles. and if a live act is a nostalgia act or not is depending on the way the performer-artist plays his music and reacts to it, i wouldnt call it nostalgia and i m not a pink floyd fan ,i rarely listen to them. but ssw and the wall are not in the same level

Originally Posted by schlochty

You REALLY shouldn't compare SWW with The Wall.

(btw, I'm not a massive Pink Floyd fan either)

According to the artist's career it is almost the same (you can never really compare anything if we speak about it). I know some songs from The Wall and I enjoy some of them and I respect Pink Floyd as a unique artist. But I see this as a commercial step to gain more money on his past, moreover on a past of a band he has left. Yeah, he wrote The Wall but it was the band who recorded it and I think it would have been different if it wasn't Gilmour playing the guitar (at least him). Many artists play many songs from their best/commercially successful albums but they don't need to name the tour after them 30 years later.
And yes I know that The Wall is not a classic album that it is a different thing. But still..

Originally Posted by Crushgen24/88

Yeah, one's an overrated, bloated, and unenjoyable album... and the other is Slippery When Wet. (Just my opinion of course)

I'm not alone great!
Overrated - that's the reason I can't listen to many "classic" bands which are considered as true rock bands. U2, Deep Purple, Led Zepellin, Pink Floyd, ACDC Black Sabbath. I don't say they don't have good songs but I think they are sooooo overrated and because of them other good music is omitted.

[Haja]

Originally Posted by nikos greece

its not the same..The Wall is an album which represents so many things, has so many meanings in so many levels, so touring an album of that caliber and status in order to let the younger audiences experience it live and the older ones to relive the experience isnt nostalgia, at least in a bad-unartistic way.
an album like the wall cant be measured only by sales-singles. and if a live act is a nostalgia act or not is depending on the way the performer-artist plays his music and reacts to it, i wouldnt call it nostalgia and i m not a pink floyd fan ,i rarely listen to them. but ssw and the wall are not in the same level

Never knew there is "levels" in music.

[Jim Bon Jovi]

Originally Posted by Johny

According to the artist's career it is almost the same (you can never really compare anything if we speak about it). I know some songs from The Wall and I enjoy some of them and I respect Pink Floyd as a unique artist. But I see this as a commercial step to gain more money on his past, moreover on a past of a band he has left. Yeah, he wrote The Wall but it was the band who recorded it and I think it would have been different if it wasn't Gilmour playing the guitar (at least him). Many artists play many songs from their best/commercially successful albums but they don't need to name the tour after them 30 years later.
And yes I know that The Wall is not a classic album that it is a different thing. But still..



I'm not alone great!
Overrated - that's the reason I can't listen to many "classic" bands which are considered as true rock bands. U2, Deep Purple, Led Zepellin, Pink Floyd, ACDC Black Sabbath. I don't say they don't have good songs but I think they are sooooo overrated and because of them other good music is omitted.

The Wall being done live could be considered as a performance art piece and deals with concepts, themes and material that Jon couldn't come up with if his life depended on it.

FWIW Jovi, U2, RHCP, McCartney and pretty much any other huge stadium filling band rely on their back catalogue with the exception of a few tunes to try and punt the latest album and whereas the bands come up with stupid gimmicks like the circle stage (aka U2's 360), Waters is out there pushing the boundaries and making his audience think and reflect on what they're seeing and hearing.

I don't like Waters in the slightest as a person but considering Jovi's music, with the exception of KTF and TD, has the depth of a paddling pool, it's a bit ridiculous to have people hammering Waters for wanting to re-tour one of the biggest selling, most influential and technically spectaular pieces of popular music out there.

[schlochty]

Originally Posted by Crushgen24/88

Yeah, one's an overrated, bloated, and unenjoyable album... and the other is Slippery When Wet. (Just my opinion of course)

Well, each to his own. I, for one, have always felt that Slippery When Wet is slightly overrated. While it turned BJ into global superstars, made their career, sold shitloads of copies and contains three of their absolute biggest hits, I prefer NJ, KTF, These Days by miles. But I digress.

Since I gather you are also a massive Bruce fan, you shall be forgiven

[schlochty]

Originally Posted by Johny

According to the artist's career it is almost the same (you can never really compare anything if we speak about it). I know some songs from The Wall and I enjoy some of them and I respect Pink Floyd as a unique artist. But I see this as a commercial step to gain more money on his past, moreover on a past of a band he has left. Yeah, he wrote The Wall but it was the band who recorded it and I think it would have been different if it wasn't Gilmour playing the guitar (at least him). Many artists play many songs from their best/commercially successful albums but they don't need to name the tour after them 30 years later.
And yes I know that The Wall is not a classic album that it is a different thing. But still.

I can see your point Johny and I understand where you're coming from. I had a slightly different approach though:

Yes, there certainly is more of a nostalgia aspect in the Roger Waters tour than there is on Bon Jovi's current tour. But think about it this way: if Roger Waters can still base a major tour on an album that was initially released in 1979, then this goes to show the timelessness and longevity of that album. The fact that shows appear to be selling well and the tour managed to win a major award like this one, shows that The Wall still resonates with critics and audiences, even more than 30 years after its release.

I'm pretty sure Bon Jovi couldn't do that with Slippery When Wet. Apart from Jon's phobia of becoming a nostagia act (which would plainly outrule such a project), I just don't think Slippery When Wet, as an album, has stood the test of time as well as The Wall has. That's why I said the two albums shouldn't be compared.

[Crushgen24/88]

Originally Posted by schlochty

Well, each to his own. I, for one, have always felt that Slippery When Wet is slightly overrated. While it turned BJ into global superstars, made their career, sold shitloads of copies and contains three of their absolute biggest hits, I prefer NJ, KTF, These Days by miles. But I digress.

Since I gather you are also a massive Bruce fan, you shall be forgiven

Check out my sig, I don't rank SWW as their best either. I'm just really not into any era of Floyd.