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Old 11-25-2020, 03:42 PM
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Unless I'm missing something, what does the label have to do with making money when the band is on tour?
Generally speaking: Since record sales started to decline sharply, record labels started to sign artists to deals which allowed the label to receive a part of ticket sales, merchandising, licensing and other revenue streams.

But nobody knows what kind of deal Jon has nowadays.
According to Thinny's posts regarding that topic Jon probably only has a distribution deal. But on the other hand, since the band's albums didn't sell all to well for more than a decade now, I highly doubt that their record company only relies on album sales.
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Generally speaking: Since record sales started to decline sharply, record labels started to sign artists to deals which allowed the label to receive a part of ticket sales, merchandising, licensing and other revenue streams.

But nobody knows what kind of deal Jon has nowadays.
According to Thinny's posts regarding that topic Jon probably only has a distribution deal. But on the other hand, since the band's albums didn't sell all to well for more than a decade now, I highly doubt that their record company only relies on album sales.
Makes sense.

From what I understand the costs would be astronomically higher to scrap the album, go back into the studio, put out a totally new product with a separate marketing campaign versus putting out another single. I'm not saying there's a snowball's chance in hell but there are a lot of bigger albums that didn't get rolling until the second or third single. Can the band pull that off with this set of songs? Really doubt it but Christ, it has my respect for at least being proud of it regardless of the sales and reception.
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:30 PM
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Just watching the concert in full - Jesus f*cking Christ, Jon even struggles with Lower The Flag and Story Of Love! And for the one who mentioned his vocals being better now than they were in 2016 at the THINFS promo shows, I have to disagree. Back then his low and middle range were still functioning decently, whereas now there's no proper range left in any register. And that labored breathing and timing...

Unfortunately, I think that by now we've honestly reached the point where Jon Bon Jovi can't sing anything anymore, at all.
I watched 30 seconds of DWYC and it sounded like he was singing through nose.
Maybe sounded worse as I hate that song but sound poor from those 30 seconds.

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According to Thinny's posts regarding that topic Jon probably only has a distribution deal. But on the other hand, since the band's albums didn't sell all to well for more than a decade now, I highly doubt that their record company only relies on album sales.
It's definitely a licencing deal as in the small print on the album it states that the albums are licenced to Island Records from Captain Kidd Corp. Which is more than just distribution. The label effectively own the album for the period agreed in the licencing (usually 5 or 10 years) after which the rights will revert back to Captain Kidd Corp (ie. Jon).

However, I'd bet my life that selling a copy of the CD with all ticket sales in the US is part of the deal. The change in laws messed up the chart plan with that idea, but the label could have still made their money from the CDs provided to ticket buyers (the CDs are not Free, the price of the CD is worked into the ticket price). However, Covid messed that up, so I'm not really sure where that leaves the label. With revenue from 60k sales (though there are streams too), I doubt they've really made that much money on this record, certainly not compared to the previous albums....
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Well, it just isn't for me, that's unfortunately the reality. I know that the situation is what it is but damn, Jon used to sell any performance and nowadays it's still shocking to me to see him like this.

I shudder to think how he will sound on a real live show. His voice sounded doctored to hell and back and yet so so thin, lifeless and unemotional. His stage presence is even worse than I remembered. Ruined the songs for me. Well I admit that I only listened to the songs I like which made for a very short concert but still, I was expecting... more? Well, not more, I know that, but maybe to see Jon fighting a bit more to show that he's still there.

There were some highlights, the sound was really good even though the backing vocals should have been higher, I think Blood in The Water sounded pretty decent and I strangely like Unbroken when performed live because it's the only one than Jon doesn't struggle with and I don't mind that vocal registry at all. But I can't think of anything else. I only listened to 3 songs in full, it was that painful.

I heard somebody mentioning this one being better than the Tidal concert and no, just no. Jon was still engaging back then, there were plenty of moments where I thought that the voice was gone but the Jon the showman wasn't.

Edit to add that I actually went and watched the whole Tidal concert because I needed a palate cleanser and Jon's performance was waaaaay better than I remembered. I can't see how he's going to last another 15 years doing this when his vocal decline is so bad compared to 4 years ago when he already sounded terrible
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Old 11-25-2020, 09:10 PM
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Well, it just isn't for me, that's unfortunately the reality. I know that the situation is what it is but damn, Jon used to sell any performance and nowadays it's still shocking to me to see him like this.

I shudder to think how he will sound on a real live show. His voice sounded doctored to hell and back and yet so so thin, lifeless and unemotional. His stage presence is even worse than I remembered. Ruined the songs for me. Well I admit that I only listened to the songs I like which made for a very short concert but still, I was expecting... more? Well, not more, I know that, but maybe to see Jon fighting a bit more to show that he's still there.

There were some highlights, the sound was really good even though the backing vocals should have been higher, I think Blood in The Water sounded pretty decent and I strangely like Unbroken when performed live because it's the only one than Jon doesn't struggle with and I don't mind that vocal registry at all. But I can't think of anything else. I only listened to 3 songs in full, it was that painful.

I heard somebody mentioning this one being better than the Tidal concert and no, just no. Jon was still engaging back then, there were plenty of moments where I thought that the voice was gone but the Jon the showman wasn't.

Edit to add that I actually went and watched the whole Tidal concert because I needed a palate cleanser and Jon's performance was waaaaay better than I remembered. I can't see how he's going to last another 15 years doing this when his vocal decline is so bad compared to 4 years ago when he already sounded terrible
Great post, I agree 100%. Just watching the Barrymore Theatre 2016 show and Jon was certainly still sounding miles better then vs. now using the term "sad" would be an understatement...
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Old 11-25-2020, 10:03 PM
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Thanks to whoever shared the link

Well, it just isn't for me, that's unfortunately the reality. I know that the situation is what it is but damn, Jon used to sell any performance and nowadays it's still shocking to me to see him like this.

I shudder to think how he will sound on a real live show. His voice sounded doctored to hell and back and yet so so thin, lifeless and unemotional. His stage presence is even worse than I remembered. Ruined the songs for me. Well I admit that I only listened to the songs I like which made for a very short concert but still, I was expecting... more? Well, not more, I know that, but maybe to see Jon fighting a bit more to show that he's still there.

There were some highlights, the sound was really good even though the backing vocals should have been higher, I think Blood in The Water sounded pretty decent and I strangely like Unbroken when performed live because it's the only one than Jon doesn't struggle with and I don't mind that vocal registry at all. But I can't think of anything else. I only listened to 3 songs in full, it was that painful.

I heard somebody mentioning this one being better than the Tidal concert and no, just no. Jon was still engaging back then, there were plenty of moments where I thought that the voice was gone but the Jon the showman wasn't.

Edit to add that I actually went and watched the whole Tidal concert because I needed a palate cleanser and Jon's performance was waaaaay better than I remembered. I can't see how he's going to last another 15 years doing this when his vocal decline is so bad compared to 4 years ago when he already sounded terrible
I said. You can't compare oranges to apples.

The Tidal concert had an audience, of course Jon as a frontman would be better than this performance to nobody.

Regarding to his voice, on the new one it's better for me.
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Jon was literally the first person to criticize his performance and lack of moving around on trying to do the songs justice and remember all the parts so let's not go crazy here and act like this is how he'll be on stage from here on out. He knows he sucked, we know he sucked. Given the situation it is what it is but keep in mind, this is that situation.
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Jon was literally the first person to criticize his performance and lack of moving around on trying to do the songs justice and remember all the parts so let's not go crazy here and act like this is how he'll be on stage from here on out. He knows he sucked, we know he sucked. Given the situation it is what it is but keep in mind, this is that situation.
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Jon was literally the first person to criticize his performance and lack of moving around on trying to do the songs justice and remember all the parts so let's not go crazy here and act like this is how he'll be on stage from here on out. He knows he sucked, we know he sucked. Given the situation it is what it is but keep in mind, this is that situation.
Exactly.

I just listened LWTG and Labour of Love from the Tidal concert and Jon's voice it's bad, very bad. On the 2020 show his voice is better.

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